What if Robinson fought maxim on a cooler day?

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  1. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a certainty Robinson would have been in danger of being seriously hurt if the fight had continued.
     
  2. mcvey

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    I have no quarrel with the stoppage only with those implying it was pre-planned strategy by Maxim that caused it.
     
  3. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Not at all but at the end of the day if Robinson was winning with ease why didn't he have the sense to pace himself? A fighter can gauge how much he has in the tank so that's on Robinson IMO.
     
  4. Senya13

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    I can conclude that Robinson had had plenty of close calls on points before and was far from unbeatable, despite having only two official losses.
     
  5. Dubal Speek

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    I could be wrong but Maxim wasn't the type to do nothing for rounds on end.

    Even if he couldn't get his opponent clean, he continuously let his hands go to try to sway the judges.

    He lost 9 pounds during the fight and perhaps clearly adapted an unusual for him conservative strategy to survive the heat and possibly surge late, which he could be described doing in the final few filmed rounds.
     
  6. mcvey

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    And I can definitely say in conclusion that your post has absolutely no relevance to this thread whatsoever!:good
     
  7. Dubal Speek

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    Others would disagree.
     
  8. mcvey

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    I don't see it as a question of blame or culpability ,one man won ,one man lost, we are only arguing the circumstances that caused the eventual result.

    For what it's worth ,Robinson put the blame squarely on God.
     
  9. Wass1985

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    And how do we know how the heat affected Maxim? There's a good chance that Maxim was deeply affected by the temperature and couldn't perform the way he would in a cooler arena. You'd think Robinson would be better suited to the heat being black and all that.
     
  10. ETM

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    Everyone knows Maxim officially won the fight. He got lucky pure and simple. No need to over ****yze it. It was an uncommonly hot and humid night in NY. The referee collapsed around the 10th round and he landed about as many punches on Robinson as Maxim did up to that point.

    Robinson was too quick for him. Maxim couldn`t score enough punches to win a decision. He could hardly land anything of substance when Robinson was suffering from a heatstroke in the last couple of rounds. Be serious please.

    It`s ok to admit that Maxim got lucky. No need to give him abilities that are a figment of one`s imagination. What`s the saying 'its better to be lucky than good?"
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    1. I'm not the one over-****yzing it. Far from it.

    2. Yes, it was uncommonly hot and humid. As you point out, both the referee and Robinson suffered dramatically from the climate. Anyone with some sense would conclude that Maxim too was suffering and effected by it. It's a no-brainer.

    3. As for giving one fighter "abilities that are a figment of one's imagination" ...... well, on the one hand we have a great fighter who spent his entire 200 fight career fighting mostly lightweights, welters and middles, and was a welter/middle himself, with a total of ZERO wins against any good light-heavyweights ....... VERSUS ...... a full-sized quality light-heavyweight fighter who spent his entire career campaigning against heavyweights and light-heavyweights with multiple wins over genuine contenders in both those larger divisions.
     
  12. mcvey

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    None of the underlined indicates he would have beaten Robinson on a more temperate night so its actually irrelevant and immaterial.
     
  13. mcvey

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    I don't think Robinson being Black ahd anything to do with it at all.Last time I looked he was born and raised in the US.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    I never once suggested that Maxim had that strategy to win. Or at least I didn't mean to.
    I was questioning why it is deemed important to speculate on his intentions and 'strategy' at all ?
    It's irrelevant.

    - Unless a fighter quits we can assume he is either "trying to win", or at least "trying to last the distance".
    The idea that that there's some sort of duty on Maxim to "prove he had a strategy" is nonsense. As if it was a maths exam where you have to "show your workings out". :D

    The other relevant issue is we can't judge how Maxim would have performed in a normal climate based on Maxim's performance that day.
    We know it was diabolically hot and humid that day.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    No, you're giving SRR wins he didn't have. He fought Maxim once and it was 0-1. The rest is fantasy.

    Pound for pound, Robinson might be the greatest fighter ever, but in absolute terms Maxim beat better fighters than Robinson.

    You don't think the likes of Langford, Greb or Armstrong have a shot at the #1 spot ?