What if Robinson fought maxim on a cooler day?

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  1. mcvey

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    I have the strangest feeling there is a remora fish following in my wake, but , probably as it's so insignificant ,I can't see it to verify it's actual existence.
     
  2. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If some can show me any film evidence of Maxim fighting any differently against anyone else than he did against Robinson ill eat my hat. Show me where he was some aggressive, volume punching bulldog and that clearly the heat made him fight different and ill quiet down. There isnt a person on this forum has more footage of maxim than me and he was ALWAYS a spoiling, conservative jabber, just like was against Robinson. Where is all of this evidence that he fought different against Robinson?? I swear some people make **** up just to read their own posts.
     
  3. Dubal Speek

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    I like this style of trolling, you appear to be rolling.

    You restate the opposing argument but exaggerate and make left field additions you know they didn't make to the point it no longer resembles the original statement, just so you can dismiss it as people making **** up, when you are the one that fabricated the claim. I might really love this style.

    In retort, I say to you, show me footage where Maxim plodded forward continuously eating punches like a human heavy bag and throwing nothing but a few body punches. I swear people just make **** up.
     
  4. Dubal Speek

    Dubal Speek Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You know, I'll bite anyway.

    While I wouldn't say he fought like a bulldog, nobody in this thread did until that claim was fabricated.

    The Mills and Patterson fights appear to be a better filmed representative of Maxim's approach when he wasn't battling extreme elements.

    He continuously peppers the machine gun jab...hence his name, and against Mills throws light but damaging combinations, resulting in a late knock out win over what could be described as a more traditional sized light heavy than his usual opponents.
     
  5. Unforgiven

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    I have watched the fight several times.
    Robinson was a great finisher, one of the best ever. So are you saying he let Maxim off the hook twice ? Why was that ?

    And you obviously can't explain why Robinson needed to be so "mobile" to his own detriment and defeat.
    Why move away from Maxim ?
    You suggest the heat favoured Maxim. Why ? Because Robinson was"mobile" (and small). Why was he moving around so much ?
    Why didn't Robinson just stop moving so much and win with a more conservative method then ?
    Especially if he had the power to take Maxim out.

    I think the answer is obvious. Robinson just not big enough to cope with a full strong 175-pounder.
     
  6. mcvey

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    I'm wasting no more time on you .Pass.:hi:
     
  7. Foxy 01

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    Are you serious? Other than having a harder punch due to weight and size disparity, what on earth makes you think any of those guys can hold a candle to Ray Robinson in any other aspect of the fight game?

    So Valuev must be a " better " fighter than Robinson too then.:patsch
     
  8. Foxy 01

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    Then explain why the 61 fight veteran Lightweight Goldstein only lasted 10 rounds? Are you seriously going to claim he was working as hard as the fighters?
     
  9. Foxy 01

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    Suffice to say either you haven't watched the fight, or you are deliberately lying to justify an anti Robinson agenda. SRR did NOT run himself into the ground trying to stay away from Maxim.

    If you are not lying get to an optician, fukin quickly.
     
  10. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The ref wouldn't have been as fit as either fighter and might not be good at handling the heat either.

    Smaller animals do better in warmer climates just like bigger animals do in colder climates.

    At the end of the day Robinson fought at a pace that was too much for him. Why didn't he pace himself better? Both fighters were battling the heat and humidity, only one could survive it.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    :lol:
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    1. They would beat him.
    2. Robinson would never have been as successful campaigning as a heavyweight and light-heavyweight as they were.
    3. I said "better fighter in an absolute sense" NOT pound-for-pound.

    Weight divisions exist for a reason.
     
  13. Unforgiven

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    Well, how do you explain Robinson becoming so exhausted quicker than Maxim ?
    Robinson was doing a lot of moving and circling. He was up on his toes and moving. Anyone who has seen the fight will see that.
    Why didn't he cruise a few rounds ? Why didn't he stand flat footed more ? Rest on the ropes even ?

    The answer is obvious. He wasn't big enough to hang with a light-heavyweight.
    If you have an alternative answer, let's here it.
    Or you do like mcvey did, and refuse to answer the simple question.
     
  14. JohnThomas1

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    What middleweights did he fight under conditions this extreme?
     
  15. Dubal Speek

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    He was working harder....or rather moving and running around more than Maxim, the commentary noted this. He was very active as a ref should be, running around in circles to see all angles when they clinched.