Which of the following would beat Tubbs at his best?

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  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Put them aside then. Show me the other heavyweights of that era who have comparable technique and skill to modern heavies.
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    So much wrong here.

    Loughran does use his jab to keep Walker at the end of his punches. He wouldn't be landing so many jabs coming in and out if that weren't the case.

    You say only smaller boxers today jab coming forward? And that a taller fighter would get "cursed out" for coming into the smaller mans range? You just said that in the post I quoted.

    Did you curse Paul Williams out?
    https://streamable.com/daed

    He was literally the first person I searched, and I went to a random point in the fight, and immediately doing what you condone.

    The strange thing is how every time you use an example we can actually observe, you always seem to be wrong :lol:
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    "Biggest" implies more than one.

    I see him throwing jabs from the outside. That's exactly what I said his strategy would be, like it was against Bowe.

    I do not see him throwing combinations from the outside successfully. Attempting so is handing an opportunity to Walker to take the W.
     
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    http://www.picgifs.com/reaction-gifs/reaction-gifs/wtf/wtf083.gif

    You are using the exact same argument to explain Ali's success that Janitor and I are using to explain Corbetts.
     
  5. janitor

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    You might be interested to learn a bit about Loughran.

    He was an unorthodox boxer, who proved himself by far the best technician, in an era populated with orthodox boxers.

    He saw the subtle merits in fighters who orthodox boxers often deride, such as Rocky Marciano and Hurricane Jackson.

    He was a consummate student of boxing technique, and was always looking for something new.

    He basically considered himself above the boxing textbook.

    He couldn’t break an egg, but if a puncher was getting results against him he would slug it out, and he would make it work!

    He might actually have been the most successful 175 champion of all time.
     
  6. reznick

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    "Boxers couldn't throw 1-2's"
    Wrong

    "Boxers couldn't double the jab"
    Wrong

    "Modern boxers do not come forward if they are bigger"
    Wrong

    "They never threw combinations"
    Wrong


    "Theres no way smaller fighters could overcome physical differences"
    *Checks Loughrans Boxrec, and watches his fight with Carnera*
    Wrong


    At some point we can't do all the work for you.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    So much wrong in your reply. If you don't see that Loughran regularly gives up his range and jabs coming forward, you are probably hopeless.

    Of course! :lol: Anyone who understood boxing recognized that Williams' failure to keep range was a serious flaw that threatened to waste his potential. Are you serious?? I guess this is news to you? :patsch Happy I could help you learn something. :good You really owe it to yourself to learn some of the basic principles of boxing technique, bro. It might make some of the past fighters less enchanting for you but you would really get more out of all the time you spend watching and discussing the sport.


    If you say so. :nut
     
  8. janitor

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    What exactly are we up against here?

    John Ruiz and Sam Peter in the not too distant past.

    Charles Martin more recently?

    These are the paragons of boxing technique who apparently put these guys in the shade?
     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Keep fighting the good fight against fictional strawmen. :good Not even going to waste time addressing this nonsense. I used to think that you were just uninformed but now I see that you are stubbornly, willfully blind to obvious differences and advances, even when they are pointed out for you in detail. :-( Have fun clinging to your fairy tales.
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I thought it was a pretty simple request: Show me these Corbett-era heavyweights you allude to who you believe had comparable technique and skills to the top Tubbs era men.
     
  11. reznick

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    Damn, you're really starting to unravel here.

    So Paul Williams, with all his modern resources, couldn't figure out how to fix a flaw that you say plagued an antiquated Loughran, and other old school boxers?

    But...yet...he was a world champion? Who beat
    Margarito
    Wright
    Ishida
    Lara



    So you're saying Modern boxers can have tons of success being very fundamentally flawed and/or unorthodox?
     
  12. janitor

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    Not too many fights from that era were actually filmed of course, so it is pure speculation either way.

    The fact that all these guys looked better in sparring sessions, when they were in their 50s, ought to tell you that the footage of the era is not telling you everything!
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Lol at "Lara"!

    The fundamental flaw in question cost him dearly against Quintana and Martinez. He's someone who could have had a truly transcendental career at 147/154 but for that flaw. As is, I think he would have a lot of problems against a lot of guys at those weights.

    And for the record, Williams had great, modern technique in a number of other aspects of his game. That was one flaw and it cost him.
     
  14. reznick

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    So modern boxers are light years ahead in technique, except when they're not.
     
  15. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    So if I follow you correctly you're saying the following: Although the men we have on film from that era did not display anything resembling modern technique or skills and there is no real indication that other men in their era had modern technique or skills, since there's no film we can't be sure either way? :lol:
     
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