Which of the following would beat Tubbs at his best?

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  1. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    I mean, should I actually try to find another example of a boxer better than Williams coming forward towards a smaller mans range?

    Do I need to go there?
     
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  2. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    A better way of putting it is that because we can find isolated examples of old fighters and modern fighters doing similar things, there is no reason to believe that technique and skills have evolved at all over the past 100+ years.
     
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  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You're fighting strawmen. You can find examples of anything-- I never said that big men don't ever come forward. But do you really not understand what you watch well enough to see the obvious difference in how bigger men fight in the modern era?
     
    mrkoolkevin, Jun 12, 2016
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  4. janitor

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    What I am saying is that the men of that era showed exceptional, if unorthodox skill.

    Brilliant in fact.

    If the champion of the era is an Ali or Jones, it is not a good reason to assume that boxing skills were not advanced!
     
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  5. reznick

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    Oh yeah I see differences.
     
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  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Not going to lie though-- Wouldn't change my overall position but I would be curious if you could find a master technician type from the modern era who regularly came in behind a single (not particularly powerful) jab, putting himself in his smaller opponents' punching and grabbing range.
     
    mrkoolkevin, Jun 12, 2016
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  7. janitor

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    I could find a world class fighter from the modern era, who made practically any mistake, including hitting himself in the face!
     
    janitor, Jun 12, 2016
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  8. reznick

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    Okay, yeah, I'd be curious too. I have no boxers in mind at the moment, but I can look around later tonight.
     
    reznick, Jun 12, 2016
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  9. reznick

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    :lol:

    Brilliant
     
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  10. reznick

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    Round 1 Fury-Cunningham
    https://youtu.be/TMGK3wELNiE?t=8m9s

    I have a feeling you will find the taller fighter doing this in almost every fight.
     
    reznick, Jun 13, 2016
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  11. swagdelfadeel

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    And that very same fighter is actually the best today. :-(
     
    swagdelfadeel, Jun 14, 2016
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  12. Seamus

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    If you seriously think Rex Layne is taking Tubbs, prime for prime, I have pity on your mental clarity... that is unless Jack Dempsey is reffing and is the sole judge. Then you might have a point.
     
    Seamus, Jun 14, 2016
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  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    You really think Fury's using his jab the same way Loughran is in that round? Fury isn't even revered as being a fraction of the smart, skilled technician Loughran was but they're worlds apart here. I see Fury doing all types of things with his jabs in that round including:

    1) throwing 1-2s.
    2) trying to open Cunningham up with soft jabs so that he can find angles for harder power punches
    3) backstepping and maintaining range
    4) keeping Cunningham occupied and disrupting his attacks

    In general, Fury mostly keeps his position and distance when throwing his jab and rarely ends up in Cunningham's arms (unlike Loughran v. Walker). I really don't think you understand some of the fundamental differences between modern technique and technique from the first half of the 20th century. There are exceptions here and there but jabbing, for example, has come a very long way at the highest level of the sport, in ways that are easy to take for granted.
     
    mrkoolkevin, Jun 14, 2016
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  14. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    The nine people who picked Tommy Burns over Tony Tubbs should be committed to the nearest insane asylum.

    Proof positive this board is more akin to a fantasy role playing game than anything approaching a reality based assessment of boxing.
     
    Seamus, Jun 14, 2016
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  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Loughran was one of Boxings greatest talents. Fury has what 25 pro fights in total and he fights like a scared chicken running around the ring as awkward and unskilled as any hwt champion in boxing history. Completely incomparable in every conceivable way.
     
    Perry, Jun 14, 2016
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