DeForest on Corbett ..

Another gem!:good

 

A bit uneven. Corbett's stamina was amazing. He went 60+ rounds with a prime Peter Jackson ( at least 20+ had action in them according to detailed round by round reports ), and KO'd Choysnki in 27 rounds. He had zero issues moving and peppering the past his prime Sullivan for 21 rounds.

Does this sound like a man who lacked Stamina? Not at all.

Jeffries pressure and punches took their toll on Corbett in the first fight between the two.

 

Amazing.

Too bad some people today think Tony Tubbs had faster hands.

 

DE Forrest was a legendary trainer, Gans, Johnson,Dempsey, many others.

But no, I doubt he saw the likes of a Tubbs or Dokes, let alone an Ali, big guys with otherworldly speed, and speed in combination.

 

DeForrest was a boxing trainer. He was best known for working with Dempsey and Joe Gans. A few others too.

Corbett's reflexes and speed was better than Tubbs in my opinion and there's no doubt Tubbs had fast hands

 

DeForest died on Oct 11th 1932.

 

You base this on what ,a few seconds of grainy film of a fight made in 1897? Isolate what portions of footage give you this impression.

 

This is the fight you say was about even until the ko?

Corbett emerged from a year's retirement from the ring rejuvenated and fresh. He was as fast and clever as back in the days when people marveled at his skill. His footwork was wonderful and his defense perfect. He outboxed his man at both long and short range, and if he had the strength necessary he would have gained an early victory. A hundred times he ducked the punch that knocked him out. At times he made the massive Jim look like a beginner in the art of offense and defense with his hands. It was a clean knockout that came so quickly that it dazed the thousands of keen spectators, and left them in doubt as to just how the winning blow was delivered. It was avowed that it was a left hand jolt to the jaw but Jeffries himself and Referee Charley White, who stood at his side, say it was a right hand swing.

• The Durango Democrat reported the following:

The finishing blow came suddenly and was a startling surprise. Corbett had been making a wonderful battle. His defense was absolutely perfect, and while he was lacking in strength, he had more than held his own and stood an excellent chance of winning the fight had it gone the limit. He had not been badly punished and had managed to mark his man severely. The winning punch was a short left to the jaw. Corbett dropped like weight and was clear out. Jeffries showed his ability to take punishment at any distance and hard. He was clearly outboxed and at times was made to look like a novice. The crowd, which numbered fully eight thousand, was with Corbett and his defeat fell upon a silent crowd. There were cheers for him when he revived and left the ring, and he was generally given more consideration than the victor. Corbett is still a factor in pugilistic fame. He has regained much of his old time form. The battle was clean and it is doubtful if there was a single infraction of the rules.

 

Really? Look at the first 3 seconds of the clip. How is that not perfect boxing? Stepping forward and backwards sharply to keep distance, throwing a perfect hook while stepping backwards.

This is textbook stuff.

Some of you guys can't see past the productions. When you watch modern boxers, you don't judge them the same way. You look at each part of the boxer, the hands, the feet, the body, and you attribute depth there. But when you watch old boxers, you remove all the depth, because the media quality isn't holding your hand throughout the viewing experience.

 

There is also an unrealistic expectation for the old guys.

Some people here aren't satisfied until Corbett has the other guy in a choke hold, and rips his head off with a clean sweep.

People want these guys to look twice as fast as human limits allow. They want them to be twice as accurate and powerful as the best boxers in the world. And they don't want them to show any faults, that even Floyd Mayweather shows in the ring.

 

While taking a step back with a punch inches from your face? Yes.

 

And then right after, look how he crouches, forces his shoulder into the other guy, and then back up right away.

This is an action of a man who is steps ahead of another guy.

 

If Corbett was at the gym I go to, that has some world class pros, he would be the best one there by far.

He knows exactly when to duck, where to put his hands to block the other guys attack. He knows how to tie up the guys arms to land free shots on his head. And he's doing it all non chalantly, with a relaxed smile on his face.

Cmon

 

I've seen Mayweather turn his head from a punch.