Who in the last ten years was stronger than Liston?

In the case is only two individuals, no, I wouldn't make any assumption.
Based on my experience observing strength athletes, lifters and bodybuilders for over 20 years, I wouldn't even hazard a guess.

Yes, more or less.
But of course we need to think in terms of percentage of bodyweight. So, for example, at 112 pounds versus 145 I'd be more likely to bet with the bigger man.

Wlad at 245 is about 15% bigger than Liston at 212.
In the world outside of boxing that wouldn't be seen a huge difference. Relatively they are more similar than divided by a huge proportion.
I mean, they'd both big considered big men in the normal world.

Based on my experience in strength sports and gyms for over two decades, I wouldn't say the 245 man is probably stronger than the 212 man. It's too close to call.
I'd guess they are both stronger than the 140 pound man in the corner.

Often the overall strongest guy in the gym is 180 or 190 pounds, while there might be a few guys walking around at 230 and 240 pounds and obviously more mass. That's a very common scenario.

I'm saying : why do you need a conclusion ? I'm not concluding anything.
I'm saying : I don't know who is strongest.
And I'm saying it's too close to say anything is "probable".

 

prime carnera rips old fat retired corries head clean off after keeping him locked out fro a few rounds and then clubbing the helpless gassed old man out.

 

Not a common scenario that I have encountered over the past 30 years. The guys benching over 500 are not typically 190.

 

It's not that far like you think, big part of the strength of foreman was in his forearms

 

Your stubbornness is crossing the line to dishonesty. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, it is absolutely reasonable to assume that a muscular man with an extra 30 pounds of muscle is stronger than a smaller, less ripped man. In fact, it is highly unreasonable not to. Unless you knew that the smaller man was a serious power lifter, you would be right far more often than not.

And 15% of one's bodyweight is a big deal in any area where strength matters.

 

Totally agreed,then why Robinson never fought marciano for example? Robinson was miles better but the size matters.

 

What did extra strong forearms allow him to do in the ring?

 

In the strength departament? You block blows much better,your parry defence is better and you handle your rival like a rag doll. Your clinch is better

 

You're getting forearms mixed up with biceps and triceps

 

You can't pinpoint the strongest muscle or most crucial factor to Foremans strength. That's crazy. This is boxing.

His secret weapon was he could fight!!

Foreman was a thick limbed, heavy handed, naturally strong guy. That's it. Let's not forget the key thing is he really could fight!

He was a boxer and these attributes benefited him because he was a good fighter.


For strength to be an asset in boxing you need to be able to fight. There is so many guys who took up boxing and were unable to utilize strength in boxing at all. It was detrimental to them.

Some fighters are stronger than others and are able to use their physical strengths but just as many find it works against them.

In his first career Foremans strength worked against him in two fights I can think of.

 

The guys benching over 500 pounds are few and far between.
Even at 280 pounds body weight, to bench press 500 pounds is an achievement.

I didn't mean when every member of a gym was present anyway. I mean, if you randomly had a few people in the gym it would be HIGHLY UNUSUAL that you could rank them in strength just by sorting them out by size.

And that's exactly what people here are saying we can do with a sample of two boxers, one being only 15% bigger.

 

But the chances of being wrong are too high to just automatically assume a 245 pound man is stronger than the 212 pound man.
I think I've made this clear enough.

"Stubbornness" ... no, not stubborn. Just consistent.
I started off in this thread saying we don't know who is strongest and we don't even know how we are measuring boxing-specific strength.

I have no agenda outside of admitting I don't know. You want to call that stubborn and dishonest. Okay.

But, yeah, it's all a bit boring now. :good

 

Heavier punches. Better follow through on impact.

Natural strong forearms give you better control of your punches when they're properly proportional to your other muscles like Foreman.