Evander Holyfield vs Lennox Lewis

1 ali
2 joe louis
3 lennox
4 holmes
5 tyson
6 foreman
7 holyfield
9 frazier
10 marciano

Let's just say I'm drunnk as hell but I stand by this list for the most part, I may have forgotten some one but I'm fairly comfortable with this list at the moment.

 

Well if we are talking P4P then I agree with you that Holyfield > Lewis. Holyfield was the complete package. But if you are talking about them as straight-up heavyweights then Lewis > Holyfield. His size counts for him in a heavy vs heavy comparison.

 

Yeah right.

 

Holyfield was a drug abuser, and a cheater.

 

tyson over foreman,frazier,evnder and marciano is laughable

 

Tyson would have beat them all in 88' aside from maybe Foreman but even that is debateable. In a Tyson vs Foreman fight he who lands first lands best and evander would not have been able to cope with a prime tyson. Tyson nukes frazier like foreman did with uppercuts and Marciano is unfortunately a guy who fights at Tyson's range. There isn't a man alive with out a good jab who can tie up on the inside who can survive what Tyson can bring to the table.

 

This. Holy was the greatest Cruiser of all time but his size sandbagged him at heavy against TRUE heavyweights.:good

 

We are talking h2h or legacy? It never happened and never will happen so you have to judge them for legacy,in a top 10 list. Anyway i think that foreman ****s tyson. But again it never happened

 

I hold H2H far above all else. Foreman may very well destroy Tyson or it may be the other way around. The match would be a coin toss. Hence their similar rankings. I wouldn't argue with somebody who felt the opposite would happen. But Foreman used a long and slow (all be it powerful) jab which Tyson could slip and counter. That is the reason I favor Tyson H2h.

 

I still feel the Holyfield of the first two Bowe fights would defeat Lewis, possibly by stoppage.

 

You are unbelievably naive. Did you time travle here from the 19th century? Every single name fighter since the 60s if not earlier has been on PED's. Where there is money, there are people who are willing to do whatever it takes. Athletes have been trying to get an edge on the competition since the beginning of time. Those that get caught are just too dumb to calculate the clearance time or get ripped off by their sources and get a different drug than they thought they were getting and end up getting popped.

You are a Naive, Holier than thou child

 

I rate Holyfield higher than Lewis.

 

It is much easier to a assume everybody was juicing then rather than cherry pick who was and who wan't. Aside from those actually busted all we have to go on is what happened in the ring

 

This is imo a very accurate post by someone who was clearly there at the time & recollects the events of the time as they were happening, as (sadly) I am old enough to remember too.

World-wide people did not sit up and take notice of Lewis until the Ruddock annihilation, the Lewis-Ruddock kayo really did have that "wow" factor and sent shock waves through the HW division. I remember Bruno being ringside and standing there with his mouth open absolutely stunned at what he had just seen.

To suggest (as a previous poster did) that Lewis avoiding Foreman and Holmes at that time is utterly preposterous imo, if anything it would have more likely been the other way around; I doubt very much if they would have, at their advanced ring ages, have wanted to take on a huge, athletic puncher wiith decent skills who had just wiped out the division's dangerman, when there were easier ways to cash in on their own big names.

Remember, in '92 we were not talking about Holmes of 78-82 vintage, or Foreman of 73-74 vintage, we are talking of older guys who were making major money off their huge names and reputations of the past; that is not to say that they did not have significant wins in their latter careers, just that there were easier ways for them to make money than fighting Lewis.

The other thing to remember that in 91-92, Holyfield WAS NOT held in such high regard as a HW as he is now. The Douglas fight was considered to be a swallow by Douglas, Evander had looked vulnerable against Cooper and his fights with Holmes & Foreman were perceived as fights where he did not shine. The general view at the time was that Evander was an under-sized HW whom both Larry and George would have licked in their respective primes.

I am just saying it as it was seen at the time!

 

The one of the second fight absolutely. The one of the first fight was a little small for 97-2002lewis.
Holyfield is the more accomplished fighter. He has a much much better resume. Came from LHW and clawed his way to the top. Came back and beat Bowe after taking a horrible beating from a great fighter. Beat a mike tyson who still had 80% of his speed and 100% of his power, used michael moorer as a ragdoll, beat and knocked down ray mercer , beat George Foreman etc

Lewis got KO'd by two so-so guys, avenging a defeat that you should not have suffered in the first place does not deserve much credit in my opinion. He went Life and death with Mercer, got his ass handed to him by Bruno til he got lucky(He was very fortunate that bruno was too cautious to finish him which he easily could have)
Ran from David Tua for a significant portion of the fight and had trouble with evander holyfield who had every possible disadvantage.
LOL at any credit he gets for beating on the corpse of mike tyson.

I do give lennox credit for showing some heart against vitaly klitschko.

I rate him well below holyfield in accomplishments but both top 10