Who in the last ten years was stronger than Liston?

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    I don't believe Foreman's forearms did much at all bar support the obvious strength he had. Biceps and triceps do much much more. Forearms are one of the lesser muscles, unless you plan to squeeze tennis *****. Grip strength is one of their bigger benefits which doesn't do much at all in boxing. You will get a better squeeze on punches and maybe be more injury resistant in the wrists.

    The simple thing is that Foreman was just a sizable with plenty of well balanced strengt. He was naturally very strong in the boxing ring.
     
  2. foreman&dempsey

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    Well... i never said that his strength came 100% from his forearms or that he did not have another quality... foreman was a pack...
     
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    It's all right
     
  4. Unforgiven

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    Exceptionally strong forearms should contribute to punching power quite significantly, since the forearm muscles turn the wrist and close the fist.
    Punchers do this explosively on impact.
     
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    Agreed
     
  6. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    For the world record for Olympic weight lifting the difference between 207 lbs and 231 lbs equals 25-30 lbs in increased lifted weight in each category. In terms of percentage the increase is a bit more than half the difference in weight. So going by these figures the difference between 212 and 245 lbs (15,5%) in weight corresponds to about 8% more in lifted weight. Nothing dramatic, but not insubstantial either (it's about the same as the difference between the Men's and Women's world record time at 100 metres).

    The records for weight lifted increase for every weight class and also does so going back in history.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...pic_weightlifting#Men_.281993.E2.80.931997.29

    That's what we can find figures for. And, yes, boxing is not a "pure strength sport" but we know that wrestling (a sport of functional strength) also has weight classes and can only suspect that there's a good reason behind this.

    That together with common sense and my own experiences with smaller and bigger men really tells me all I need to know, so I'll end it at that.
     
  7. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I've always felt this to be true. Strong hands, wrists and forearms seem to transfer power better. A lot of hea vybag work leaves the aforementioned sore most definitely.
     
  8. Sullivan2.0

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    In an old black belt magazine I have some of those old martial artists said the person with the stronger forearms wins the battle.
     
  9. Reason123

    Reason123 Not here for the science fiction. Full Member

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    It does seem like most of the hardest hitters of all time had big strong forearms.
     
  10. mcvey

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    Any lhvy hit much harder that Bob Foster?
    Featherweight Sandy Saddler? Alex Arguello?
    Fly Jimmy Wilde?
    Light Lew Jenkins?
    Middle Al Hostak?
    Welter Ray Robinson?
     
  11. mcvey

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    That's it then! All we need for each upcoming fight is a tale of the tape and we can blow our £$£$ on the biggest forearms .
    Who had bigger forearms than:
    Carnera
    Valuev
    Willard
    Impelletierre
    Wray
    Potgeiter
    White
    Jones
    Santa
     
  12. HerolGee

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    that case, Popeye rules supreme.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Disagree. An average boxers forearm muscles are fine. Having stronger than average is going to give you booger all in the big picture.
     
  14. mostobviousalt

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    Mostly wrists.

    If they aren't strong enough they start flexing when you punch, Timothy Bradley has that issue. You can see him land a good punch but his wrist doesn't stay straight and start recoiling.

    You lose a lot of energy that way, as that way the wrist almost acts like a spring and absorbs part of the energy instead of most of it getting transferred to the head.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Forearms...

    My father sent away for a rubber ball to Squeeze to develop his forearms. My grandfather laughed at him because he was an old time barber who used manually cranked hand clippers all day for 50 years. He had arms like pipe cleaners!!