Is Sugar Ray Leonard overrated?

Heavens no. I am back with a new accent and meaner than ever, not like the wuss Redrooster of last year

 

So i can look eagerly forward to your summation of the battles mentioned?

 

He beat everyone there was to beat. Top 10 is fitting

 

summation of what HE Grant mentioned? dealing with him was impossible. When I would mention the fact that Leonard went nearly unscathed in his previous fight, he would pass over it and then come back asking if I thought Terry would whip Leonard in a head to head match up?

what was I supposed to say? Am I supposed to feel pressured into telling him Leonard who LOST EVERY round, took a licking, would destroy TERRY NORRIS?

He evidently hadn't planned out an intelligent response because get this; He compared Leonard to ALi of the Holmes fight and Louis of the Ezzard Charles fight, then expected me to go along with his baseless assumption despite the fact that in his last fight, leonard's back never touched the ropes, was scarcely touched and NO HE GRANT, Ray Leonard DID NOT HAVE 200 FIGHTS!

He just didn't put up a good argument and I pointed out the problems with it. HIS argument, not mine

This is what I'm dealing with

just as in saying Duran with six fights at welter does not make a great welterweight. His accomplishments, most of them were at lightweight, two divisions lower, and was more effective at that weight

but these people have muddled thinking. That is to say, they get confused easily, lump all of Duran's fights together and pretend they're all at 147, then expect everyone else to believe what they tell us no questions asked

 

Nobody does that. You, otoh, made a gross exaggeration and claimed that Duran was just a lightweight who jumped up two weight classes to fight Leonard. As I explained, he was a well estaished, full fledged welterweight by the time he fought Ray Leonard.

 

The ones i asked, you can see them quoted in post 409.

 

Wrong. He was well established BEFORE entering the 147 pound division. that's what made him famous; that's where he made his mark



and that's what he fought best at

slim N trim always beats fat & pudgy in sports

They even ran an SI article on him after moving up to welter saying that was someone impersonating Duran

Actually, I was surprised that a lightweight could move up two weight classes and whip Leonard after only six fights,,,but he did!

It was amazing, He was a newcomer whose abilities were halved and outfought Leonard.

You don't have to like it, just abide by it like you would any other elemental fact such as 2 + 2 = 4

 

these are all very demanding fights even for Robinson

vs Torito I see Robbie trying to finesse him but this cannot be done because of the fact that Torito carries the bomb and his limitless stamina

Robinson seemed to have problems dealing with heavy pressure fighters

the closest thing I can thin k of is Charles-Marciano 1

vs Norris, another hard one since Terry was acknowledged by KO a few years back as the greatest 154 pounder of all time

I have to give the edge here to Norris because of his speed and unhittableness

In other words, when Terry Norris don't want to be hit, he won't!

whether Robinson could best Terry is uncertain but I can say for definite sure that he would put up a far more demanding fight than Leonard

 

Probably leaning towards peak Ayala and Norris beating SRR then?

 

You brag about your logic and ****ysis than you throw in quotes like "His abilities were halved." You know that is an exageration. You just arbitrarily threw that out.

You are undervaluing the experience factor that played a great role in Leonard/Duran I.

Also, Duran was totally on his game, both with his psychological and physical preparation, as well as his execution.

Leonard, a relative novice in the experience department, did very well for a guy with three years pro expereince under his belt.

Leonard was moved very quickly and accomplished much in a short period of time.

Yes, Duran hadn't looked great in most of his 147 performances before the Leonard fight.

But, reports were positive when he easily decioned Palomino, so indications he was still very formidable at 147 lbs.

The truth is Duran had been struggling to make 135 lbs. for years.

He looked fit and trim against Leonard, in the first fight.

He was in prime shape.

He didn't look like a lightweight balooning up to 147 just for a huge payday.

To say he lost half his abilities moving up is just unscientific babble.

 

Good post.

 

you're right; I should have said he lost half his effectiveness

Duran's prime had to be early to late 70s. He was born for that weight but at 147 was far less effective

and with only six fights at that weight? Honestly, I thought he was going to lose that fight to leonard, especially considering the 15 round limit where the extra weight would cause him to tire and from what I suspected, lose the later rounds

I'm sorry if you don't like it but that's just the way it is

 

whatever the outcomes, it would be well contested. Ayala had the power and ferocity

and Terry had the speed

With Terry it's a little easier to grasp his true prowess and what might have been considering his lengthy title reign

In fact, Terry was SO fast, that he could get off a combination before the opponent could determine what defense to form

If he could so easily dispatch the likes of Leonard, Curry, Taylor, Brown, Mugabi, and a host of others, then HELL YEA I give him a good shot at besting the Sugarman

Have I ever been wrong before?

 

I heard he was so fast he could turn off the light switch and be in bed before it was dark.

 

I've heard the same said of Ali

However, I'm sure former foes would not make light of it, having been struck such savage blows that ruined them in their attempts to better Norris N Ali

There is simply no defense against such speedlicious attacks

Remember the time when, Mugabi had his gloves held properly when Terry struck him high upon the lobe with a sickening THWUCK!!!! - shortly after causing him to shudder violently before Terry's follow up attack that was beyond all human comprehension. An attack that forced John into early submission as he became helplessly caught up like a leaf in a storm

Then there was Leonard in the third, who was completely covered from Terry's assault.....or so he thought!

because a split millisecond later, Terry came in underneath with a brilliant uppercut that caught the legend completely unprepared, an assault that left him shaking like a leaf on a tree and one that after facing down legends Duran, Benitez, Hearns, N Hagler, left him badly shaken destroyed both mentally and spiritually; Leonard's guts had just turned to jelly

However, for this new and what would become an ever GREATER legend in the making on this night of February 9, 1991, did our hearts not burn within us as Terry, given no chance by the experts, gave us a display of speed not since seen since a young Hector Camacho and not seen again until the uprising of another legend, Roy Jones?

Then there was the next outing vs former champion Curry, who though he fared better than both Leonard N Mugabi, departed earlier than Leonard. Poor Cobra must have thought he was put in with a mongoose or more aptly, an octopus because it was as if he was fighting eight men at once. Donald rarely landed a punch

I have to say that Terry, Hector, and Roy really improved the sport of boxing, now in the doldrums for lack of real distinguishable talent