The problem with sidding up!

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  1. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    As a coach I've taught newbies to side up, today with fat kids in abundance and getting fatter it becomes that much more difficult to get the kids to side up. Maybe it's because their shoulders are to big. But tonight a pro-fighter left to go back to his original gym since he couldn't punch off the shell. It's with a heavy heart that I must say he will never be a champion because when you square up your open. The reason for him coming to my gym was that he was getting hit with body shots.
     
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  2. BoxinScienceUSA

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    i'm curious what you mean by "side up" (boxing has so many terms that are synonyms. it's not the action of side up i'm questioning, but looking for the definition of the term).
     
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  4. Mr.DagoWop

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    In that video he is talking about why De la Hoya couldn't learn the shoulder roll. He explains that it is because he couldn't punch off of it. Not because he couldn't point his left shoulder at his opponent.
     
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  5. Paulie walnutz

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    My point exactly it's easy for most to point the lead shoulder but to punch off seems to be a different issue. I've never had much luck in trying to get a rebelious boy to point his lead shoulder. A boxing club down the street has the kids point their navel directly at the opponent and the gym manager claims to have between 30-40 kids per class.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p8fg9wPsiKU
    This style of boxing wouldn't work at high level boxing.
     
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  6. Paulie walnutz

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kd2DtRCA3XA
    A compilation of ko body shots one thing they all have in common is that the navel was pointed towards their opponent.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UGzvQT-HYP8
    Clip of Ali's navel pointing towards Michael Dokes evading head shots. Upon closer examination all Dokes punches where thrown at Ali's head had Dokes gone to the body it would have been a different outcome.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHwPBTDDp00
    4:00 Hopkins talks about the turtle and how he was able to fight until he was 50 without ever being cut or ko'd because of turtling up. Today most gyms adopt wing chun to its curriculum. For this reason most never reach elite 1 in the amateurs or pro-boxing.
     
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  7. Mr.DagoWop

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    I don't think that anybody other than Mayweather Sr is qualified to teach the shoulder roll.

    I agree that wing chun wouldn't work at high level boxing because the movements are about getting set in place. Any fighter who knows basic footwork could potentially give a wing chun practitioner plenty of problems.
     
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  8. TJ Max

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    I like that Wing Chun clip. That would work against people that don't know how to fight.
     
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  9. JagOfTroy

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    Most things work against people who don't know how to fight...
     
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  10. Paulie walnutz

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    Gotta square up at one point!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u8uESHHCgGw
    Evader Holyfield talks about the importance of infighting, however infighting requires two hands, the wing chun style. Which was used by mike Tyson.
     
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  11. JagOfTroy

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    You keep saying that like I don't know how it feels to be tired, taking repeated punches in the face, and still know how to walk through it like a hail of bullets to keep punching back... :huh

    Yes, your gonna get popped. Best to reduce the odds of that happening. If you wanna take your chances with testing your chin, be my guest. I have no problem working out my combinations on it.

    We do not teach squaring up. If someone squares up to me, I turn their stomach into my personal speed bag.
     
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  12. Paulie walnutz

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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IKfoBlhrCZw
    Watch the video in its entirety! Pay close attn to Duran's sticky hands.
     
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  13. BoxinScienceUSA

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    that music was dreadful for a how to boxing video.

    i teach infighting by first teaching wrestling pummeling. grab a partner and start there, to learn weight shift, positioning and what to do with your arms and their arms.

    basic concept of infighting is similar to other grappling sport; create space to offend and take space away on defense.
     
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  14. Adybrrady

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    It is clear to me that the reason a fighter can not fight side on or even stand side on is due to poor biomechanics. To improve do yoga type exercises to increase flexibility and improved deportment, simple!
     
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  15. Paulie walnutz

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    Good point! I'm going to spend the rest of the weekend researching into this problem. Clearly from a mathematical equation already posted siding is the perfect defense yet so few can do it. The question is why?
     
    Paulie walnutz, Jun 25, 2016
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