George Foreman Top-5 ATG HW?

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think yes, without a doubt.

    People often criticise him for so-called lack of skills, but what only matters are the actual results.

    76-5 (68 KO) overall.

    Two separate careers: 45-2 (42 KO), 30-3 (25 KO).

    The only HW to win lineal HW title after 40 (actually almost at 46).

    The only HW to win the World championship 20 years after he lost it.

    Won his 2 championships vs prime undefeated HW champions

    29-0 (25 KO) Frazier
    35-0 (30 KO) Moorer

    Often named as a greatest HW KO artist in history.

    Has 2 of the longest KO streaks:
    1970-74 - 24 KO's in a row
    1987-89 - 18 KO's in a row

    Beat ATG Joe Frazier 2 times with ease.
    Destroyed 2 toughest Ali's opponents in Frazier and Norton
    KO'd Ron Lyle in a war.
    KO'd prime undefeated Michael Moorer
    Stopped HOF member Dwight Qawi

    Gave prime 29 y.o. undefeated ATG HW Evander Holyfield tough fight and lost only by decision.

    Also beat contenders and fringe contenders:

    Chuck Wepner in 4th fight
    George Chuvalo
    Boone Kirkman
    Gregorio Peralta twice
    Scott LeDoux
    Bert Cooper
    Gerry C-oney
    Adilson Rodriguez
    Alex Stewart
    Pierre Coetzer
    Lou Savarese
    Shannon Briggs (everyone who isn't blind knows that Foreman beat him).

    I think it's more than enough to be ranked in top-5 HW all-time list.
     
  2. reznick

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    I think it's unreasonable to have him outside your top 10.

    It is very reasonable to have him in your top 5.

    That's how I would frame it.
     
  3. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He's pretty close and I certainly wouldn't argue with anyone who has them in their top 5. His lack of title defenses is the one area where I think he falls short.

    Top 5 is pretty lofty, but I think he's closer to top 5 than he is to top 10. 5-7 range for me.
     
  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    took far too long away from the game to be considered top five. the top five all have strong cases for quantity and quality.
     
  5. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Too long away?

    Since when has that ever been a consideration?

    Number of fights, would definitely matter, as would the quality of your opposition and who you beat and how you beat them, but being too long away is not a criteria I've ever heard used before. He has 81 fights that's certainly more than most.
     
  6. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes.

    81 fights, 76 wins, 68 KO's - i think that are the highest numbers for HW champion in many, many years.

    Also proving that you're able to win HW world championship after 10 years off and at age 45 adds much to the legacy of the fighter.
     
  7. Glassbrain

    Glassbrain Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Louis and Ali are 1 and 2 respectively, anything after that is a matter of opinion. Sure Foreman has done enough to Merit a top 5 spot, as have many other heavyweights.
     
  8. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

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    Agreed
     
  9. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have him 4th, he beat a 29 year old ATG in Frazier, beat a prime Moorer at an age he should have been long retired, beat Norton etc. Also won the Olympic title less than 2 years after starting boxing, can you imagine someone who started boxing in 2014 winning gold at Rio.
     
  10. BCS8

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    This. Seems spot on to me.

    A top 10 list is very subjective on the criteria used to evaluate fighters. But Big George is a solid ATG in almost every department you care to look at.
     
  11. JohnThomas1

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    He came in at 8 on my list. There was very little between the 6-8 spots.
     
  12. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    compared to the extensive careers of the top fivers - Louis ali holmo lennox and perhaps Marciano -they far outstrip his wins, but moreover, if you took a decade out of their careers they'd be moved down possibly out of the top five too - it'd be like ali on just his first stint, Louis with only half an innings and lennox quitting in the 20th century.
     
  13. bbjc

    bbjc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Probably has the best heavyweight achievement of all time. Still cant believe he was able to win the title at 46 or whatever age he was way out of shape to boot. He makes my top 5 anyway. His record is actually incredible maybe not in terms of names but 81 fights 70 odd wins is pretty incredible.

    I d hate to think what prime george would have done to the guys he fought as out of shape old george. Best comeback ever imo. Fell off the face of the earth went away and got old and fat came back and then won the heavyweight title of the world. Still makes me smile thinking about it.
     
  14. foreman&dempsey

    foreman&dempsey Boxing Addict banned

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    Yes sr,great
     
  15. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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