Showtime on CBS: Keith Thurman vs. Shawn Porter & Jarrett Hurd vs. Oscar Molina RBR.

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  1. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    I'm not arguing who won. The stupid idiotic saying that the champion has to be defeated convincingly to lose the title. By your standard all close rnds goes to the champ.
     
  2. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    DO you know how to read and comprehend? When the **** did I say that? Please quote where I said that.
     
  3. devon2

    devon2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah I think that age old adage applies to some fights but not this fight.

    I think that adage really applies to like legendary champions who are getting older and escape decisions by jabbing and being the champ when the other guy is outworking him.

    In this fight Thurman may have been the champ, but he was really landing impressive power punches and truly winning the majority of the rounds. He staggered Porter, he was effectively countering the aggressor. So I agree with you lobk that Thurman being the champion isn’t why he won. Like I think you’re making the point that Thurman’s status as champion isn’t why he won. I think we see that Thurman won the fight convincingly and by someone else saying that Thurman won because he was the champ kind of takes away from what Thurman did in that ring.
     
  5. Bad Boy Bill

    Bad Boy Bill Active Member Full Member

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    Youre a funny guy!.
     
  6. Bad Boy Bill

    Bad Boy Bill Active Member Full Member

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    You implied it, that's all that matters.
     
  7. Bad Boy Bill

    Bad Boy Bill Active Member Full Member

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    A hard stiff jab sometimes wins the round.
     
  8. moparfan

    moparfan ESB's glass jawed fraud Full Member

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    Yo Bad Boy Bill,

    Here's a quick breakdown from tonight's scoring for you to show you how a 116-112 card for either combatant is plausible:

    I used Kush's scorecard (Thurman 116-112) mine and yours (both 114-114 draws)

    Kush:
    R1.........THURMAN........PORTER
    R2.........PORTER
    R3.........THURMAN
    R4.........THURMAN
    R5.........THURMAN
    R6.........PORTER
    R7.........THURMAN........PORTER
    R8.........THURMAN
    R9.........PORTER
    R10.......PORTER
    R11.......THURMAN
    R12.......THURMAN........PORTER

    116-112 (THURMAN)

    BAD BOY BILL:
    R1.........PORTER
    R2.........PORTER
    R3.........THURMAN
    R4.........THURMAN
    R5.........THURMAN
    R6.........THURMAN
    R7.........PORTER
    R8.........PORTER
    R9.........PORTER
    R10.......THURMAN
    R11.......THURMAN
    R12.......PORTER

    114-114 DRAW

    MOPARFAN:
    R1.........THURMAN........PORTER
    R2.........PORTER
    R3.........PORTER
    R4.........THURMAN
    R5.........PORTER
    R6.........PORTER
    R7.........THURMAN........PORTER
    R8.........PORTER
    R9.........PORTER
    R10.......THURMAN
    R11.......THURMAN
    R12.......THURMAN........PORTER

    114-114 DRAW


    Rounds you disagree with us on:

    KUSH & MOPARFAN
    R1...........THURMAN
    R7...........THURMAN
    R12.........THURMAN

    If you went with your round scoring on these rounds and gave them to Porter, as you did:
    KUSH CARD: PORTER 115-113
    MOPARFAN CARD: PORTER 117-111



    :deal
     
  9. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member

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    :rofl:rofl Now it's I implied. No I didn't. you have a reading comprehension problem. Quote where I implied. I challenge you.
     
  10. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'll rewatch it when I get the chance regardless of who I pick I try to judge fights neutrally, for me I liked Shawn's work better wasn't too impressed with Keith he landed a few good shots after the 4th I thought Thurman would take over had the 5th to Thurman, but I felt Porter could of had Thurman out of it towards the 8th/9th rd, I will say Keith responded well in the last 2 and won both on my card overall though Porter looked more comfortable in there.
     
  11. Jshort

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    I'm still shocked that Haymon put on a competitive fight.
     
  12. Oxygene2

    Oxygene2 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'll post my live thoughts that I do in a Word document that I had throughout the fight. This is only basic stuff with not much insight to be honest and sometimes I forgot details (like maybe what punch was precisely thrown) while quickly summarising after rounds but anyway...

    Thurman-Porter

    1. 10-9: close round, cleaner work froM Thurman but Porter busier. This will not be an easy fight to score.

    2. 9-10: clear Porter round.. landed a stiff right hook and then went to work on Thurman against the ropes with a very high work rate and some decent accuracy. Thurman smothered and Porter with a big round.

    3. 9-10: Porter slightly busier and landing more shots – he’s the aggressor, but Thurman lands a PEACH of a right hand toward the end of the round – best punch of the fight – and then Porter fires back. Good good fight!

    4. 10-9: BIG ROUND Thurman, who keeps catching Porter coming in with the left hook. He lands a huge left hook later and explodes with a torrent of offence on Porter who fires back himself but just lacks the accuracy of Thurman.

    5. 10-9: Fairly quiet with Thurman shutting down Porter’s pace with that curshing 4th round, but 2 mins in and both explode with a flurry of combinations and then Thurman produces the cleaner sharper work up to the end of the round.

    6. 10-9: Close round but Thurman still cleaner and he landed the best punch of the round with a stiff straight right.

    7. 10-9: It was a close round but it looks like Thurman has sapped the energy and some of the strength and will out of Porter, who is no longer willing to be much the aggressor.

    8. 9-10: Porter has Thurman reeling with a crushing body shot. Close round still.

    9. 9-10: Thurman still winded from the bodyshot maybe? His signals look very negative, as Porter keeps working hard and is back to smothering Thurman. That bodyshot has turned the tide of this fight quite stunningly. Thurman bothered by his left eye and looking ragged for the first time.

    10. 10-9: Thurman commanding on the outside as Porter’s work rate dropped. Thurman lands a HUGE right and Porter could have gone down! Bedlam to end the round as Porter responds! Best punch of the fight landed by Thurman.

    11. 10-9: Thurman landing the better shots and controlling from the outside.

    12. 9-10: Close, but gave it to Porter on workrate with not much real quality landed.

    115-113 KEITH THURMAN
     
  13. Bad Boy Bill

    Bad Boy Bill Active Member Full Member

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    This is your implication right here, talking about today's current event. You know, the thread you're in.
     
  14. Bad Boy Bill

    Bad Boy Bill Active Member Full Member

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    This is a hard one. It was too close to call it 116-112 for Porter.
     
  15. G_O_A_T

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    Porter deserved it. Thurman was running and holding all night.