Jim Jeffries Jan1909 250lbs!

That was merely an estimation, "in the neighborhood of 250 pounds", "between 250 and 260 pounds", etc.

 

Jeffries wrote several letters to Otto Floto of Denver Post around that time and he stated he didn't want to weigh in publicly, not any sooner than he had been training for some time. LA Herald, LA Times and LA Examiner didn't mention him "stating his weight", I've only seen California writers give their estimations, ie opinions. Outside of this Jan 9 write-up in LA Times that you posted, no other California newspaper I've seen mentioned Jeffries revealing his weight (or stepping on the scales in their presence) to any reporter. Not before Jan 9 and not for several days after, at least, that I looked up. I doubt LA Times writer was so special that Jeffries shared the information about his weight with him and him alone, nobody else. I looked up sporting pages of Jan 1-8 LA Times, and found no mention of Jeffries' weight, even though the Jan 9 piece says 250 pounds was stated a few days previous.

 

Harry Smith in January 7 San Francisco Chronicle prints a wire from Los Angeles, which includes "Jeff stated that if he goes on the road he will get himself in good condition first and see how he feels along the fighting line. He weighs now between 250 and 260 pounds."
Actually, the way it's written, it's not clear whether Jeffries stated that he weighed between 250 and 260, or it was an estimate by the author of the write-up. Possibly the former, in that case I admit I was wrong and want to apologize.

A long letter from Jeffries to Otto Floto, published in January 7 Denver Post, Jeffries describes his first day of training (in private): "In the first place I did not go down to the gym, of the Los Angeles A. C., as it had been advertised that I would. ... I knew the minute that I stepped near a pair of scales I would suddenly be faced by a hundred unseen eyes. I am no "prima donna," but I do object to making a public show out of myself at least until I have had ten days or more to whip myself into shape." Jeffries mentions no weight.

H.M. Walker of LA Examiner on the same day wrote: "That Jeffries is taking himself and his work seriously was shown by the fact that he cut down his daily allowance of cigarettes yesterday to two of the deadly little 'casket spikes.'" No mention of weight.

Neither LA Herald, nor LA Times mention Jeffries in their January 7 issues, although several non-local newspapers print wires about him starting training. Next-day (Jan 8 ) neither Herald nor Times write anything about Jeffries' training or his weight, the Times only mentions an offer of Johnson-Jeffries bout from one Nevada athletic club.

Jan 8 Denver Post prints another letter from Jeffries about his third day of training, no mention of weight.

H.M. Walker of LA Examiner the same day (Jan 8 ) writes that he received an invitation to visit Jeffries at his home to see his training session, no mention of weight.

On Friday, January 8, Jeffries had his first semi-public training session at Los Angeles Athletic Club's gym.

LA Herald didn't write about it.

LA Times next-day write-up you posted, I'm not sure who wrote it, possibly Gray Oliver, and I'm not certain from the way he writes, whether he was present there or he's telling what he heard from others.

H. M. Walker of LA Examiner wrote that as the session wasn't advertised in advance, "only a few club members and personal friends of Jeffries were on hand" (he lists Charley Eyton, Jack Kipper, Dewitt Vancourt as being present), and he didn't mention any weight figures.

Otto Floto of Denver Post wrote that he called Jim Corbett to get his opinion if Jeffries agrees to meet Johnson, and among other things Corbett said: "Although weighing in the neighborhood of 250 pounds, he [Jeffries] is as nimble as a lightweight."

Robert Edgren of New York Evening World was in Los Angeles at the time and he didn't mention Jeffries' weight, only published his interview with Jeffries that he didn't intend to enter the ring again. On Jan 11, Edgren still in Los Angeles, mentions that Jeffries started training, but not a word about weight.

A wire from Los Angeles printed in Cincinnati Enquirer describes his training session, but no mention of weight.

San Francisco Chronicle on Jan 10 had a weekly letter from its former sporting writer Mano A. Zan, who was residing in Los Angeles at the time, and he mentions Jeffries having started light training, but no mention of weight.

 

So the multiple sparring exhibitions as Corbett did in his fight weight leading up to Jeffries in 1900 mean zero to you, but a non-conformed weight of Jeffries of 250-260, inactive for even a longer period of time and 2 years older does? HAHAHA.

Pay no attention to this 2nd rate puppeteer behind the curtain, he can't conceal his agenda or double standards.

He's trying to suggest that Jeffries who had not fought in 6 years and others say was over 280 pounds was actually close to shape for Johnson. If there was on official weigh in, and only an estimate, it's a circus guess. Jeffries was clearly heavy in the photo of the signing of the contract to meet Johnson. Out of shape, old, and very rusty he was.
Or to use the words of Fitzsimmons who sat ringside, he wasn't a quarter of the fighter I fought.

The truth is Jeffries retired, drank and ate a lot. He was fat. His 1910 training camp was a poor one that consisted of men even older than him who he sparred with.

 

You have a terrible time separating what a primary newspaper quote is and twisting the truth on newspaper estimated weight, suggesting it is a fact.

Jeffries weight in 1909 is just an estimate.

However, the Brooklyn Union who covered Peter Jackson and the match said he had regained his form, ( as did his team ) and Jackson, unlike Jeffries, did not balloon upwards of 50+ pounds in weight. In addition, Jackson showed well in round one, he got hit and could not take it in round two. Hardy a stamina related TKO loss.

Jeffries was green and he got his man out of there in 3 rounds.

Johnson in his prime time took 15 rounds to defeat his washed up opponent.

I'm not going to correct you all day. You can either become the next Dino here ( A hater with clear agendas ) or keep posting perpetual nonsense to the point where others view you in your own special way.

I don't care which path you take and unless something hilarious is posted by you in this thread, won't reply back anymore.

PS: Rickard, by the way, said he give good money to see the REAL Jeffries tackle Johnson. If beating a shot, fat 6 years inactive is viewed as a primary win, your championship isn't worth much.

Then again we are talking about a man floored by a super middle, out boxed by primary sources to another, and drawing with a journeyman in title fights. How unimpressive. So you need to make it appear as Jeffries was in better shape in 1909:hi:

I thought Wilder's opponents were terrible. But compared to Johnson's title picks, maybe not, and would pick Wilder to finish the same men in less time, without being in danger of a draw or TKO loss.