Bad Moments from Great Boxers

Guys, I wanted to make this post because I noticed there are some disingenuous people out there who do their best to destroy the legacies of past boxers. They do their best to take away the hard earned accomplishments of these great warriors. These people focus on their flaws, and find snippets of their worst moments, and overblow it.


So I created a small list of clips of boxers who are unanimously considered as great, or good, by contemporary standards, that shows some of their bad moments. I did this to show you how easy it is to deceive people when media tools are in the hands of disingenuous people.

This reference serves as a warning to not get swayed by these slimy tactics.


Here is George Foreman and Ron Lyle slugging it out. Notice the lack of straight punching, poor defense, and little to no footwork.
https://streamable.com/ltsk


Next, let’s look at Oscar Bonavena vs. George Chuvalo. Notice the toe-to-toe wide swinging brawling, and sloppy footwork.
https://streamable.com/uacd


And here is Evander Holyfield. Watch as he picks Lewis up like a wrestler. Then watch as he lifts his knee to try to block punches. Is lifting your knee to block punches something that good boxers do? Furthermore, watch as he lunges with a sloppy hook, and basically stands still in front of Lewis’ barrage of punches.
https://streamable.com/eu0l

As painful as it was to seek out the worst in some great boxers, I had to do it to prove a point.

World class boxers don’t need to fit a certain mold. Many of them are unorthodox, but using that as a criticism against them is to ignore the entire objective of the sport, which is to win.

So be warned not to fall for these hit jobs on classic boxers.

 

Show me a bad Galento punch, and I'll show you something equally bad from contemporary sluggers.

Do you have a specific example? Like can you show me one Galento punch you are describing?

This is good. We are getting into very nitty gritty specifics, and I think we can learn a lot from digging deeper here.

 

By any chance do you have a link to this post?

These are my exact thoughts on the evolution of boxing over the last century. You summed it up very well.

 

Thank you for helping me put pressure on these guys who make outlandish claims, and then shy away from an opportunity to prove them.

I think John Galt is the same guy who said Corbett had his chin high in the Courtney footage. And then we quickly proved it was no higher than Floyd Mayweathers.

These guys rarely hone up to such blatant oversights. And it's not some harmless incident. There are people here who want to learn a lot about boxing history, and when you're new, it can be hard to distinguish between good information, and bad.

 

I honestly wish this didn't happen here. There's a time and place to look at a boxers flaws, such as when you're comparing and contrasting, or sizing up a fantasy fight. But when you go out of your way to create hit piece threads by posting 10 second clips of someones worst moments, then you're doing something wrong.

There is so much to still discover about boxing history. There's footage to uncover, and restore. There are interviews and testimonials to still be found, and pieced together. There is this huge opportunity missed to have a really intelligent, ****ytical study on different techniques of different eras, using footage to piece the puzzle together, without the hindrance of emotional bias. What we do in most of these threads is just scratching the surface.

When I came back to this site about a year ago, somehow I expected that to happen here. Maybe because I have so much respect for this forum. There are people here with an incredible depth of knowledge and experience in boxing. And instead, I quickly got dragged into this unimportant battle of having to plainly defend the merits of old school boxers.

Burt Bienstock can't even get 2 words out before people are yelling at him to be quiet. And that man has some ****ing important stories to tell. He lived the culture around the 30's, 40's, and 50's boxers. He's an absolute goldmine of information, and people won't let us extract it, because we keep having to fight this most basic of battles.

/rant over!