Jack Johnson Agrees To defend Against Sam McVey For $30,000

Many saw it live. I did. I highly doubt he went to Manilla.

 

He wouldn't have seen much Ali - Foreman in Manila.

 

Hey, this ain't no two bit obscure boxing forum!!!!!

 

Im glad theres someone on here making some kind of impact because there is impressive knowledge of boxing history on this site but I think it lacks abit with most of its members not neccesarily yourself when it comes to understanding the art of fighting probably because they've never done it before. Too many boxing myths are taken as bible, posters are too set in their ways and many seem to follow each other like sheep and there doesn't seem to be much room for unorthodox opinions about certain topics.

 

The idea was to seriously hurt your opponents left arm by punching it. This is a well known move by most great trainers. Norton tried using it vs Ali in their third fight as an example. Nothing at all odd about it.

 

The three facts I know hold true about Jack Johnson when he was champion.... #1. He was scared of Sam Langford and ducked him more times than Basilio when he fought two 15 rounders with SRR.
#2. He was scared of Joe Jeanette and ducked him even more times than he did with Langford.... even when offered a short ten rounds because Jack always said no one on earth can beat Jeanette over a fight to the finish or any real long plus 20 round fight.
#3. He was just as bad with McVey... Johnson was scared of McVea as well and also refused to fight Harry Wills as well........ Jack "The Artful Dodger" Johnson.

 

He dudded McIntosh many times in fact, he always signed up the articles but never the guarantee to show up... Johnson knew these guys were vastly better than when he fought them, it appears of the three Jeanette was the one Jack felt he was most likely to lose to and I also hold that opinion as Jeanette was tall enough, fast enough , tough enough and had the tools needed to ensure he had a big chance of winning. There is a great youtube video out now on this very subject of Jack ducking the big three.... from one of your fellow Brexit mates, perhaps you know the bloke. Anyway I have said enough on this and will let Andrew explain it. If you want the link I am happy to pass it on.

 

Langford was not an Australian yet he won the Australian title didn't he.

 

dropping Jeanette was one thing, stopping the man is clearly in another stratosphere, you clearly have never read anything of what Johnson said about Jeanette have you ?... or you are leaving that fact out. This in now way a personal attack on you but Johnson had the highest possible regard for Jeanette and often said the Jeanette he beat was nowhere near the prime Jeanette who Jack insisted no man on earth had a hope of beating Jeanette in a fight to the finish..... oxygen tanks anyone ????

 

Oh come on mate, that is a load of manure. Only Johnson was on the radar and clearly not in his prime, Jeff may not have wanted to fight a black man on racist grounds but afraid of one up and comer who still had a lot to learn and three kids who he surely could never have heard of at this time just staggers me, you of all people. Normally you make great posts and I cannot argue with you but this post of yours has me disappointed.

 

On the subject of Bert Sugar, he was a poor historian but a great entertainment because he retold all the old myths that got all of us into loving boxing history. The old time experts really knew their stuff... even though in later years their recollections may have been faulty but as has already been pointed out, they did not have ready access to facts... Sugar did but never bothered to double check so lets regard him as an entertainer and not a fair dinkum historian.