Jack Johnson Agrees To defend Against Sam McVey For $30,000

Adam Pollack has boxed ,is a boxing judge,referee, author and coach and a member of the Boxing Writers Association Of America. He is a staff writer for CyberZone boxing,one of the historians on that site is Matt Donellon a contributor here and an excellent poster. we also have Matt McGrain who is a moderator here. Steve Compton is a boxing author whose username here is Klompton.

 

An avalanche of agenda driven bulllsh*t It doesn't warrant detailed ****ysis but I'll destroy a few obvious lies.

"Johnson pulled out of two fights in Australia with Langford and McVey to be promoted by McIntosh!" WRONG.Johnson signed for the fight , McIntosh withdrew his offer no guarantee was required from Johnson. You got the terms of the fight wrong too.Easily verifiable from Pollack's book
Johnson pulled out of a NY title defence with Joe Jeannette to be promoted by The McMahon brothers.WRONG Johnson signed to fight but the NY Commission refused to allow the fight to take place.Easily verifiable from Pollack's book. There was no London Athletic Club and no National Athletic club. Johnson signed to fight Sam Langford for the National Sporting Club in Covent Garden the purse to be £3000.Once Johnson had won the title he stated his price for defending his title, was the same as Burns had received for fighting him $30,000 and that the original offer was not enough now that he was champion..

That idiot on You Tube keeps mentioning Al Palzer and says Jeannete had beaten him and that Johnson was considering fighting him. WRONG!Palzer did not fight Jeannette or Johnson.

Johnson told Promoter Billy Gibson he would fight Palzer in NY but Gibson said he couldn't promote such a contest because of the racial implications.

Gibson who promoted at the NY Garden AC offered Johnson $25,000 to fight Jeannette, Johnson reiterated that his fee was $30,000,and Gibson withdrew his offer.
Its interesting that there is a claim Johnson would be at a disadvantage with clean breaks in an Aussie fight, because NY did not allow hitting in the clinches ,The papers felt that long range fighting would be heavily in Johnsons favour." Any New York bout would be limited to ten rounds by law,the feeling is that Johnson would cut loose more in a short fight . He had to pace himself in Las Vegas owing to the 45rds distance It did not necessarily follow that he would be as defensive in a short bout. Also NY rules called for clean breaks which would enable Johnson to fight at at long range.Hence the prospect is none too rosy for Johnson's New York opponent."

That was the year Jim Johnson beat Jeannette , dropping him in the 6th rd.

Fighters did not always post appearance fees WRONG ! Sometimes forfeit money was posted but not always..

Hitting in the clinches in Australia was banned WRONG! It was decided by mutual agreement whether it would be allowed and the Burns fight is an example of where it was allowed, a fact Burns said he regretted later.
Johnson was never offered a fight with Jeannette inAustralia.
He was offered a chance to defend his title in Paris or Monte Carlo for $30,00 Victor Breyer wanted the fight to be with Jeannette and the distance to be 30rds.This offer was in the Black Paper The Freeman on Sept7th 1912 no formal offer was made to Johnson .
Since when does the challenger dictate how long the distance of a title fight should be? Johnson beat Jeannette over both 10rds and 15rds tales of Johnson fouling out against Jeannette because he was in trouble are bogus and untrue he gave Jeannette a good hiding in the opening round and the claim for a foul was debatable again primary sourced fight reports confirm this, they fought a week later and Johnson beat Jeannette.



The piece on You Tube is absurd in some of its claims and innacurate in the points it tries to make ,putting the blame for fights not happening on Johnson when we have primary sourced proof the offers were withdrawn or the fights were banned by the authorities. There are newspaper articles with interviews with both the McMahon brothers detailing why they had stopped trying to promote a Johnson v Jeannette fight in NY,like -wise McIntosh went into print explaining why he would not stage title defences of Johnson in Australia,Both are easily verifiable and blow that fools theories completely out of the water .

The only fight Johnson pulled out of was the Langford fight at the NSC his excuse being that now he was champion the *****rdly £3000 purse, was not a fit reward for a title defence.
I know you don't want to hear the truth you'd rather believe that clown on You Tube than the evidence from thoroughly researched documents.

Please don't start foaming at the mouth like you did the last time you left us in high dudgeon ,spewing out insults as you did so, if you do I'll just put you on ignore.

I've publicly challenged that idiot to provide proof of his statements and I'll do the same ,lets wait and see what develops.
I'm pretty sure its the knob who used to post here under the name Jeannette ,he left after being ridiculed and exposed once too often..

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What Johnson thought of Jeannette has no relevance to the thread.
Jeannette improved, so did Johnson.They had their last fight in1906 ,2 years before Johnson won the title.
What suggests that Jeannette would ever be Johnson's master? Johnson was the better boxer, he was the one who scored 9 knockdowns to Jeannette's none in their series.
Jeannette was in his prime from 1909?
What was he doing losing to Sandy Ferguson in 1909 ,a man Johnson toyed with? How about drawing with Tony Ross in1912 again an easy victim for Johnson? Losing to Battling Jim Johnson in1912 a man Johnson drew with fighting with a broken arm when considerably past his prime? Drawing with Morris Harris in 1910, a ko victim of Johnson's? Jeannette's only chance would be to catch Johnson when he was out of shape in a long distance fight. Johnson proved he was his master over 10rds and 15rds and why should he fight over 30/45rds, he was the champion not Jeannette?

The golden rule is," them that's got the gold ,makes the rules"

 

Wills was a sparring partner for Johnson for a brief time, Johnson fired him because he couldn't stand the pace.
This is just silliness and doesn't merit a proper response.

 

Thanks very much for the heads up.:good

 

No he won something advertised as for the Australian title by the promoter, how can two foreigners, [the other was Sam McVey,] qualify to fight for a domestic title in a country that is not theirs?