Jack Johnson Agrees To defend Against Sam McVey For $30,000

A Canadian and an American fight for the Australian title ,you recognize it and question my sanity?
Have you any idea how absurd you sound?
He hasn't produced any facts and I've challenged him to do so .

I'm prepared to debate in public with him on his chosen soap box.

I've destroyed all the lies he posted with facts and I can back them up with dates and primary sourced references.

One more thing ,I 'll correct liars wherever I find them, if that gets up your nose, f*cking good!

Now got anything more to say before you go into meltdown again?

 

So essentially you're saying if you lived in Australia for 12 months you qualified as an Aussie?

Since Johnson had beaten Felix,Lang and Burns wasn't he the champion?

If two Americans say came to the UK and declared they were fightng for the British middleweight title what do you think the public's reaction would be?

 

This is bullsh*t .Johnson signed to fight Jeannette in NY but the fight was vetoed by the NY Commission, easily verified if someone wasn't too lazy to look it up.

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9A05E0DB1630E233A25754C1A96E9C946396D6CF


http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9B04E4DB1630E233A25750C1A96E9C946396D6CF

"The agreement between the McMahon brothers and the boxing commission of
the State of New York by which the recent advertised bout between Johnson
and Jeanette was called off was undoubtedly for the best interests of the
sport."

 

Why couldnt Tyson Fury be British champion? The problem I see with your premise is that Sam McVey fought for the Australian title within 4 weeks of entering the country he fought Jack lLster fore the "title" on 30th sept 1911 ,a month earlier he had
been in Yorkshire UK fighting Alf Langford on the 3rd of August. Hardly a long term resident.

 

Wouldn't it be up to the promoter to do that and to locate another arena? Each promoter had his own area The McMahon' s operated out of NY,so did Billy Gibson.

Lets have all these ,"dozens of other offers".They have a way of melting away when asked for.
McIntosh withdrew his offers so did the McMahon's, Gibson would not match Johnsons $30,000. In 1912 Breher over in France, was willing to pay Johnson his price ,but for the fight to be over 30rds in 1912 34 years old Johnson hadn't been in a ring for 2 years ,no way was he fighting Jeannette over 30rds.

Whatever way you twist it, and no matter what you say, there is documented proof that Johnson signed to fight Langford and McCvey in Australia having agreed terms with McIntosh to do so.McIntosh rescinded his offers and wrote articles in the newspapers explaining why.

"The whole current of popular feeling is so strong against him that no promoter would dare bring him here".

"As far as I am concerned Johnson will never come to Australia again.He dare not show his face in London ,he is barred from New York "Hugh McIntosh the Honolulu Star Bulletin Dec 16th 1912& The San Franciso Call Dec 21 1912. Johnson also agreed and signed to fight Jeannette over 10rds in NY only to have the New York Commission block the fight, Adam even has the names of the two commissioners that did it in his book! So whatever way you twist it Johnson signed to defend against his three main challengers Langford,Jeannette and McVey in1912.
The fact that the fights did not happen was proven beyond all doubt with primary sourced documents and quotes ,not to be his fault.
Hate can give you a long ride, but it won't change the facts!

 

When Sam McVey beat Denver Ed Martin a promoter offered Jeffries a $20,000 guarantee to defend against him he refused, he knew who McVey was alright.

Newspapers were calling for Jeffries to defend his title against Johnson as early as 1903.

 

Look Jeannette fought Johnson for the last time in1906,you say he reached his prime in1909.Okay lets look at his results from 1909.
1909
He loses to McVey, no disgrace.
He loses to Sandy Ferguson whom Johnson played with and whom Jeannette had also lost to the previous year .
He draws with Al Kubiak who had won just one of his last 5 fights,
over no hoper Jack Reed 3-2-0
Nothing he did in1909 warranted a title shot.

1910
He loses to Langford
Draws with Jeff Clark
Draws with Morris Harris ,whom Johnson had ko'd
Again nothing to merit a title shot .
1911
Loses to Langford
Draws with Jim Barry who is losing as many as he is winning.
Draws with Tony Ross whom Johnson has already beaten.
Loses to Langford
Jeannette ends the year with a record of 38-7-5 Nothing to shout about there.
1912
Loses to Battling Jim Johnson, being floored along the way.
You call Johnson a journeyman'
Loses to Jeff Clark.
No wins by Jeannette in 1912 indicate he earned a title chance. that year.
1913
Loses to Jack Thompson who is having his first fight!
Jeannette's best result in1913 is a draw with Sam Langford Two months later Langford beats him over 20 rounds the distance idiots say Jeannette can't be beat over. This is for the French version of the title Langfrod is quickly stripped of this spurious crown when the rest of the world refuses to recognize the French action and the status quo is restored.

"Langford and Jeannette fought for the World Heavyweight Title, as recognized by the French Boxing Federation, which had stripped Jack Johnson. Soon after Langford's victory over Jeannette, he was also stripped of the title".
So no major wins for Jeannette in1913.

1914
Beats Colin Bell
Beats Georges Carpentier on a debateable decision Carpentier is 19 years old and and weighs 168lbs
Draws with young Harry Wills
Beats journeyman [your words] Jim Johnson3 times,but also draws with him.
Draws with Langford.
Which victory in1 914 should have earned Jeannette a title chance ,in your opinion?.
.1915
Beats Langford
Draws with McVey
But then loses to journeyman Battling Jim Johnson! After which he beats a couple of nobodies ,during which time Johnson loses his title to Willard.
So you tell me which was/ were ,the year/years that Jeannette's record screamed out:

I DESERVE A TITLE SHOT BASED ON MY RESULTS THIS YEAR/YEARS?