Is Sugar Ray Leonard overrated?

The above proves nothing other than you looked for a gotcha moment on Perry.

Perry simply said there are many boxing experts TODAY who were not around to predict the fight.

Hey genius, that does not imply that they are under 25 yrs old, it implies they were not working in the boxing industry at the time.

However, there are many who are still around.

Ask any expert who covered Norris/Leonard and ask who they got as highest on their pound for pound lists - Leonard, Norris or Camacho.

The vast majority, if not all, will say Leonard.

Many experts did predict Leonard would beat Norris.

They overestimated what Leonard had left, and underestimated Norris going in.

That a 35 year old past prime Leonard was favored against a prime Norris just reinforces how highly Leonard's past accomplishments placed him in minds of the experts.

 

I'd guess that Hagler was a bigger favorite against Leonard than Leonard was against Norris. So that must mean that a prime Hagler was beat by a rusty Leonard fighting his first time at MW by Red's logic?

 

I do agree though that Norris win probably is underrated, though. Even beating that version of Leonard so clearly is impressive.

 

Norris was a great fighter. He just is not rated anywhere near SRL all time.

His bout with Leonard is along the same lines as Marciano-Louis, Holmes-Ali. An old/shot former ATG getting their butt kicked by an excellent prime fighter.

 

and you keep getting stuck on things such as "nobody rates him higher than leonard prime for prime"

and these nobodies you keep referring to are your barometer?

These same nobodies of whom none predicted the correct outcome?

whereas you can only speak in generalities without backup, I can do you one better; Tim Ryan after uno mas "what an absolutely magnificent performance!"

and KO magazine "Sugar Ray fought the perfect fight"

and winning every round in effortless fashion, it's hard to argue

Which is why I cant understand why the know nothing parrots on this forum keep ****ing around with such things as "by your logic, Berbick was a better fighter than Ali!"

I'm disappointed in you Saad. Quite frankly, I think your name should be "SAD" because of the way you keep trying to defend a lost cause with such pathetic reasons as given

 

Norris was not a great fighter.

He was a fighter with an excellent offense.

 

so in other words, both you and Bokaj and Saad cannot think on your own and rate a fighter higher than a majority of other brainless baboons unless they say so?

Well, I can certainly understand why you took so long in replying to my a question but even so, I did expected more than "that was 25 years ago so the experts hadn't been born yet"

why dont you just leave this to us men and come back when you become one yourself

one thing I will admit to, and not grudgingly like other forum members which is that Terry was in fact GREAT, and launched the greatest comeback in boxing history

you could see the raw talent in the Jackson fight and within a year, he put it all together and won the title

Ordinary looking Terry Norris who had everyone fooled

Like puny peter Parker. Nobody suspected his true prowess and fighting ability. well, Terry Norris was the same way

In scientific terms, the speed of Norris can be related to the speed of SRl in this manner:

Terry Norris speed = SRl speed raised to the Nth power where N is equal to or greater than two depending on how good a night he's having

If ya'll dont agree, TS (tough shiiiit!)

You can come down and pull down your pants and we'll see which one of us is the REAL ****!

 

Norris was beaten at all stages of his career.. He lost fights as a rising prospect/fringe contender. He got knocked out badly by an aging Simon brown who was rising in weight, and this time while being prime. He got himself DQ'd twice against the abysmal Luis Santana., also while prime.. He lost fights to Rosenblatt, Boudoiani, and some other dude while being around 30 years old... Yet somehow he's supposed to be "better" than Leonard who gets no concessions for being THIRTY FIVE and only seeing maybe five fights in the last decade... I have to hand it to rooster.. Unlike most trolls he's managed to keep this act up for nearly 10 years...

 

Leonard didn't have Parkinson's. It's stupid to mention Norris' age not in the context of him developing brain damage.




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I can't speak for others, but for me it's a case of following both guys and reading the ****ysis of experts.

It's not a matter of being "brainless."

I just happen to agree with the experts on this one.

 

That comment doesn't really address the entirety of most.. Was Norris officially diagnosed with Parkinson's prior to getting stopped by Keith Mullings? How about when he got KTFO by Simon Brown? Or when he twice got himself DQ'd against the journeyman Santana? Or when he got destroyed by Julian Jackson just a year and a half before fighting Leonard? I realize that some of these renditions of Norris weren't the best.. But my point is that he suffered losses to all kinds of opponents at all stages of his career... Leonard didn't.

 

No i dont agree . Leanard was an all time great.

 

Easy there, brother.

The mental equilibrium is tilting a bit.

Your Norris obsession is clouding your judgement a bit, I believe.

Leonard wasn't even one of my favorite fighters.

It becomes problematic when you lose your objectivity.

It is important to keep personal feelings seperate from objective thought.

That's what one needs to do to really be able to ****yze anything.

 

He's still just prodding

 

It really is that simple... He beat four hall of fame men, all of whom were p4p giants, and three of which in their primes.. Some people brush over that like it means little. But honestly.. How many ATG's can we name who beat three ATG's in their PRIMES ?? We can name all sorts of guys who beat handfuls of great fighters, but not when at their best.. Hearns, Duran, and Benitez were at their pinnacle.. Hagler was past it, but the playing field was also evened with Leonard being over the hill and coming out of retirement.. Ad to that the fact that Ray was an olympic gold medalist and had a few additional grade B wins against men like Lalonde and Kaylule, and you basically have one of the best resumes of all time.