Jack Johnson Agrees To defend Against Sam McVey For $30,000

Look --Jeannette started boxing in December 1904.

He drew with Johnson in their last fight in November 1906.

So being a pro just under two years, he was approaching even with Johnson already who had 42+ fights and had already been boxing for a decade! Yikes.

Johnson apparently knew better than to fight Jeannette in 1907 or 1908 before he won the title from Burns.

Judging on Jeannette's improvement, it's not too hard to see points win for him as he approaches his prime.

Of course, Johnson belted Jeannette low and was DQ'd in 2 in a fight before in 1905



Fighters usually go low for a reason.

You are dense on this topic. It's laughable that Johnson had a DQ loss and a draw in their last fight to a novice like Jeannette. Jeanette had less than two years experience when the matches happened.

On one hand, you're trying to say Jeannette wasn't good enough to deserve a title shot. Okay, Mister Double Standard, then Johnson lost and drew to a fighter who was very green and not worthy of a title shot!

It makes Jack's resume even worse. Is this what you are trying to say?

HAHAHA got ya again Tony:hi:

I'm not saying Jeannette should have received a title shot over Langford, who was also ducked.

I'm saying he was a top #2-#4 contender, and BETTER than anyone Johnson gave a title shot to from 1909-1914!

Jeannette most famous win was a TKO over McVey in their most significant match in April 1909. You could argue based on that win alone Johnson could have fought him in 1909.


The best years for a Jeanette title shot would be 1912-1914:

During these years, Jeannette defeated the following men:

Rodell - White hope type

Ross - Whom Johnson gave a title shot to

Battling Jim Johnson, beating 5 times by Jeannette in these years with just one draw! Jack Johnson himself could only draw here, and it was a lucky one.

Clark - A very quick black fighter, good enough for a title shot vs Jack Johnson. Smaller he was not in Langford's, Jeannette's or McVey's class, but he was a good fighter.

John Lester Johnson - The Fighter who gave Dempsey trouble

Carpentier - Some say the verdict was off, but which of Jeanette's draws did should have been called a decision win for him?

Langford - Two Draws.

 

Reznick,

1 ) It was never proven that Johnson could beat the best of his time as champion from 1908-1914 as he never fought prime versions of Langford, McVey or Jeannette. To be the best of your time, you must beat them. If you don't fight them, you never know

By 1915, Willard was better.

2 ) Johnson had no issues facing other black fighters in many nations of the world. He drew with Jim Battling Johnson, a fighter Joe Jeannette beat many times over in France. 'Battling Johnson was black.

 

It was well understood at that time that Johnson was head and shoulders better than Langford, Jeanette and McVey.

 

Just before Sam McVey's second bout with Jack Johnson in Los Angeles during 1903, there was talk in the city about the possibility of Jim Jeffries defending his world heavyweight title in a bout with McVey after the latter's victory by a knockout in the first round in a bout with Denver Ed Martin. But a little over a month after that emphatic victory, McVey took another beating and lost by decision again in a second bout with Johnson, a result which ended talk about a possible bout between Jeffries and McVey. But afterwards, there was some talk in Los Angeles about a bout between Jeffries and Johnson.

In regards to talk in Los Angeles about a possible title defense by Jeffries in a bout with Johnson or McVey during 1903, one should take it with a big grain of salt. Los Angeles was growing rapidly at the time, but had a population of only about 100,000 as late as 1900. Hazard's Pavilion, the main boxing venue in the city at the time, had a capacity of only about 4,000. The city also had a very strong anti-boxing faction, which made things difficult for Tom McCarey, the biggest boxing promoter in Los Angeles at the time, and for any other person who wanted to stage boxing shows. San Francisco was the biggest city and the most important boxing center by a considerable margin in California during 1903.

- Chuck Johnston

 

1 ) It was never proven that Johnson could beat the best of his time as champion from 1908-1914 as he never fought prime versions of Langford, McVey or Jeannette. To be the best of your time, you must beat them. If you don't fight them, you never know

By 1915, Willard was better.

2 ) Johnson had no issues facing other black fighters in many nations of the world. He drew with Jim Battling Johnson, a fighter Joe Jeannette beat many times over in France. 'Battling Johnson was black.

1 ) According to the NY Times, the injured arm happened in the last round when the two fighters fell.

2 ) If the Willard fight had been 25 or 20 rounds, he'd pick up his activity sooner. You can't change the distance of a fight and say it's fought the same way.atsch

3 ) It's clear Jeannette like Langford and Mcvey were top contenders. Johnson himself drew with light punching O'Brien, was floored by supper middle weight Stan Ketchel, and drew with Jim Battling Johnson, a fighter Jeannette pretty much owned

Jeannette was far more active in the ring in comparison to Johnson from 1909-1914. Had Johnson fought as often as Jeanette did, he would have more stains on his record.

The Johnson vs Jeannette fights that happened featured a Jeanette with less than two years experience and sometimes a losing record! The fact that Jack lost one, and drew in the last tells me a lot!

 

You seem to have an incredibly low opinion of these three great fighters... and if you despise him so much why do you call yourself McVey ??????/.... fyi, Langford and Jeanette are greatly regarded as all time greats and all three were KIDS when they fought Johnson... oooooh wooooo he beat up kids and novices and you think these count for anything ????? yet he fights Jim Johnson who was not even in the same stratosphere as Langford, Jeanette and McVey....... fact facts... until he fought Willard he defended against a champion who had not fought in 6 years and had to lose like 10 stone (or whatever)... he beats up on tiny little guys or out and out tomato cans. Sorry mate but I am not buying a word of it.

 

I gotta give you credit Aiden McVey, I know of no other poster here who has had an entire video dedicated to him... lol.

 

Before Jim Braddock lost his world heavyweight title in a bout against Joe Louis in 1937, Tommy Burns and Jack Johnson were the only two reigning world heavyweight champions who fought black challengers. It may be that Johnson should have made more of an effort to fight top black contenders such as Sam Langford, Sam McVey and Sam Langford, but it was a different time and place.
For one thing, it was far more difficult to stage a world heavyweight title bout in the days before World War I than afterwards.

- Chuck Johnston

 

I am sure that McVey will correct me if i am wrong, but no one is suggesting that Langord, McVey and Jeanette were not great fighters. But you can still be great and outclassed by Jack Johnson because he was simply that good.

I also think that Jim Johnson is grossly underated by most people. He wasnt in Johnson's league but he was still pretty good and was capable of giving the three names you mentioned plenty of trouble. To compare the era with the 70s, We would See Ali (Johnson), Foreman (Langford), Frazier (McVey) and Norton (Jeanette). But Johnson would have been at the level of Shavers at least. Capable of giving those guys plenty of trouble and winning on his day.

 

"Langford was 23 years old for their one fight."

Not that it matters that much, but I continue to maintain that Sam was born in 1886 and was therefore 20 when he and Johnson fought. It's probably been years now, but I remember going over all of this at one time based on various sources, years his siblings were born, census results, etc. It's still a matter of debate but it's the year he gave himself at one point and I recall concluding made the most sense.