Jack Johnson Agrees To defend Against Sam McVey For $30,000

One of the best posters here sinks yet another one of the poster's Mcvey's ambitions.

As I told him before McVey quit boxing for a year.

Had Jeffries trashed Mcvey in 1903, I guarantee you the poster Mcvey would say something like, well he was only 20 year old with limited experience.

 

Clay,

In your opinion did Johnson duck Langford as champion from 1909-1914?

 

^^^ Correct.

 

What's the point? You ignore my facts. I have corrected you more times than I bother to count.

I have posted this stuff before. Johnson never took any of the fights despite numerous offers from promoters in the press. He ducked them. End of! Even you admit Johnson title run was a weak one.

Your play on Jeffries avoiding Sam Mcvey has crashed down, and I'd rather ask Clay in his opinion if Jack Johnson ducked Sam Langford as champion as he researched him far more than you.

 

Here's your proof. JACK JOHSNON Lies and ducks Sam Langford!!!


May 3, 1909 – The World (New York)

Black Champion Proves He Tampers With The Truth.

His Agreement to Box Before the National Sporting Club of London Was Signed with His Own Hand.

He Tried to Shift the Responsibility to Others.
World Produces Photograph of His Signed Letter - Opinion of Secretary of Club.

By William P. McLoughlin

Very few persons who have followed the course of Mistah Jack Johnson since he won the heavyweight championship of the world by walloping little Tommy Burns need to be told of the absolute indifference of the big negro to either truth or candor. Those, however, who like the man from Missouri, must "be shown" before they will believe and derive the most convincing proof of Johnson's dishonorable character from the letter which I print in this column and the photographic facsimile which accompanied that letter from London.

It will be remembered that the moment Johnson was proclaimed heavyweight champion he began to suffer from what a facetious friend of mine would call "elephantiasis of the cranium," but which the erudite Kid Griffo describes as the "swelled cocoa."

Dropped His Friends Overboard:

Johnson as soon as he gained the title, had no further use for the men who had stood by him when he was hustling after a snack of pork and chicken. Sam Fitzpatrick, who went broke and kept on borrowing from his friends to grub stake Johnson in the vague hope of getting it back when he would succeed in working the negro into the championship class, was cast aside. Johnson gave no earthly reason for this act of gross ingratitude. Fitzpatrick the faithful had to beat it back to San Francisco from Australia with all his pockets turned inside out, while the slugger he befriended arrived with bulging pocketbook and a bushel of resin unerative contracts.

More offers were made here. The negro promptly began to sidestep those to which he was already bound so as to hitch up with newer and more liberal ones. Right and left he disregarded his moral as well as literal obligations. So far did he go in this direction that in order to allay in some measure the popular indignation he began to worse than romance. He liked like the lamented Joe Mulhatton or Tom Ochiltree. He was worse than a gas meter. He blamed this, that or the other person for having signed contracts for him of which he knew nothing whatsoever.

When he threw over his agreement to box Sam Langford before the National Sporting Club in London, he declared that he had never agreed to any such proposition.

The Proof of It Is Here:

I am enabled today to present a damming proof of the four-flushing negro's duplicity and bad faith. The photograph (next column) shows Johnson's own letter to the club, signed by himself, in which he makes the offer to meet Langford. The camera does not lie.

Following is a letter from Mr. Bettinson, secretary of the National Sporting Club, which I received today:

National Sporting Club, Ltd.,
Covent Garden, W.C.
April 23, 1909

Dear Sir - I cabled you the other day that Johnson's statements were untrue, in consequence of several American newspaper cuttings I had received, in which he stated he repudiated Fitzpatrick's contracts, as if he had not any knowledge of what had been done.

Of course you will see by the enclosed photograph, that Johnson was absolutely personally responsible. In fact, the suggestion to box Langford for the same purse, win or lose, with Burns, came from him; and at the time, I thought it very decent of him to make the offer. The club did not ask him to do so, and I am quite certain we should always have been willing to have made a bigger offer, in the event of a victory over Burns. However, he is a ******, and a very bad type of one; and, as far as the club is concerned, we do not wish to bother about him, but when I see him making lying statements in the American Papers, I think it only right that I should repudiate them.

I think Johnson is throwing away the substance for the shadow, as he had 6,000 pounds worth of contracts booked up in London for six months of easy work. Of course, he may get more money in American, but I think this is pretty good booking for a black man.

I am pleased to say, we have got a good English champion. He is a big fellow, fourteen stone, and can really box well. He knocked out Moir in 2 min. 47 sec. on Monday evening last, and could do it at any time when called upon. Personally, I think he would have a great chance with Tommy Burns. How he will fare with Langford, I do not know, but he is very confident that no twelve-stone man can beat him. As a matter of fact he has seen Johnson, and think he could beat him. Still, we must wait to see how he goes with Langford before saying too much.
Sincerely yours,

A.F. Bettinson

No wonder Johnson is hissed and hooted at his every appearance on the stage here. Lovers of boxing the world over are naturally lovers of fair play. There is no other game which is so keenly sensitive to the touch of dishonor, and when there comes along a faker he generally reaps the reward for which he has sown the seen.

Langford is little better than Johnson. He has tricked and "pulled" and faked in the ring whenever it suited the purpose of his backers. He has hopped aside when Johnson almost caught with the goods on him.

I should like to see the two of 'em inside the ropes, and I'd like very much to see them wind up like the snake who got his tail in his mouth and swallowed himself holds bolus. I'd send a couple of wreaths.


>>> Now what say you?

 

BS. He signed it and ran. I prove what you were asking for. AKA show me an offer. I did, and Johnson signed it. Just admit defeat.

Saying Johnson was asking for my money is code for chicken. He simply did not want to risk losing his title. End of.

You are owned and severely compromised This deserves a thread of it own as many skip over your BS stuff in threads.

 

"Why haven't you contacted Box rec on it Clay?"
Never really occurred to me. There are all kinds of sources on-line that have the 1883 or 1880 dates. I can't provide positive proof of the 1886 date, just the fact that Sam gave that year and the various reasons why I believe that year makes more sense than the others.

"Would Langford be any more in the know about when he was born?"
I'd like to think so, I don't know too many folks who don't know the year they were born and he lived at home long enough that I think he ought to know.

"I've just taken Box rec's date. Solid confirmation would be great!"
Understood, like I said there are a number of sources with conflicting dates. Box rec has not proved infallible over the years, though it's certainly a great resource. I know I've provide some additional information concerning fights from time to time.

"How much is the Langford hard back version? Would I be likely to be able to buy it in NY."
I don't know where you'd be able to find a hardcover version in N.Y. I have a couple of used inscribed hardcovers available on my website for $35 each (prizefightingbooks.com) and one could be shipped to a N.Y. address for as little as $4 via media-mail service (7-10 days). Otherwise, one could search ABE or eBay.