Anthony Joshua vs. Joe Frazier, who you got?

At the moment Frazier by ko,in a couple of years perhaps my opinion will be different.

 

I think AJ is open to right hands defensively speaking and lacks head movement. A big man with speed could take advantage here. Like the ones he fought in the Olympics.

I think he has the average stamina in the mid to late rounds and might be too muscle bound for his own good.

I also think his chin is average and was an issue some amateur fights vs the bigger punchers. Can Joshua clinch well when hurt? A bit of an unknown, but he'll need this skill

None of the above has really been tested in the pro's ( Whyte gave him a mild test ) , but it's clear he's a big man with fast hands, skills, and power.

In the amateurs, Joshua showed decent heart when hurt or floored.

No call here yet! Much depends on how Joshua does vs. top 5 ranked opponents.

If you asked me to pick between the two on their 17th pro fight I'd pick Joshua

 

How you arrived at the underlined is a mystery since Joshua has never gone farther than 7 rounds?:huh

 

Joe Frazier looked pretty good in his 17th pro fight against George Chuvalo.

I think Anthony Joshua could be the real deal. We'll see. It's way too early to tell.

However, the ony big thing about Joshua that stood out for me in the Breazeale fight was, if he missed a right hand, he'd throw it, miss, and sort of smile, swing it back really low and gradually bring it back into position. It was almost like he was winding it back. Nothing was coming back from Breazeale. So it didn't matter.

But it was sort of like Joe Louis dropping the jab and Schmeling seeing he could counter over the top.

Joshua did it a number of times, and I kept thinking: "If someone slipped his right and threw a left hook, they'd crack Joshua in the jaw every single time.

I think Frazier in his 17th fight would've been able to bob under the right and crack with that left hook to the jaw.

So I'd lean toward Frazier.

But Joshua could be among the better heavyweights ever. It's going to be exciting to see what happens with him.

 

It has been my observation that he seems to throw fewer punches as the rounds go on unless his opponent is hurt. Why be this judicious vs overmatched opponents, unless he has questions about his own stamina?

I think he's over muscled, and that won't help his long term stamina. This is only my opinion as too much muscle mass isn't ideal for a 12 round contest.

Since he hails from the isle of glass jaws, I question his punch resistance, but most of that is based on his amateur career, not his geographic location.

I don't think he's the next Audley Harrison, and I don't think he's the next Lennox Lewis either. I'd predict a Frank Burno like career, maybe a trifle better.

 

I completely agree with what you wrote Joshua. His last opponent was very slow-handed and lacked skills.

I think he's open to lead or counter shots if the other guys can get in range or has the will to throw it.

Frazier had some uneven performances in his first 17 fights. He was floored three times and was mostly matched vs guys his size or smaller.

In his 20th fight, Frazier had some issues with Buster Mathis, a much bigger man. Midway through the fight, Mathis was in the lead. Frazier didn't look great vs. Bugner, a much bigger man. I tend to think Joshua is better than Mathis or Bugner.

Joshua is a huge man with movement skills, power, and a punch. Based on that he might have beaten Frazier.

5'11" vs 6'6"
73" reach vs 82" reach.
205lbs vs 245lbs

Tough numbers to overcome when both men are skilled.

 

I agree. Joshua's size and his speed and power would be difficult for Frazier to overcome.

Joshua could be incredible. I'm so glad he's in the division right now.

But when comparing Frazier in his fight with Chuvalo against Joshua against Breazele, and Joshua's habit of dropping that right hand, I'd lean toward Frazier. I think Frazier's height and his bob and weave style would be difficult for Joshua. Joshua, in many ways, has that upright European style. He doesn't tend to dig a lot of uppercuts and then bring his hands back up.

I have no doubt Joshua could hurt Frazier. But I'd like to see what would happen to Joshua if Frazier uncorked left hooks on his exposed jaw for four or five rounds.

It would be fun to watch.

 

No.This is what you posted.

"I think he has the average stamina in the mid to late rounds"



Since he has never been in the late rounds how do you arrive at that conclusion?

 

I guess if someone lasts beyond 5 with Joshua that's considered late

 

It's way too early in Joshua's career to match him in super fights like this.

 

I'd give him Pulev next, I think he stops that big overated tub. Joshua and Parker should be a very good fight.

 

Dont think you can really compare the two nowadays. Frazier far the better more skilled fighter/boxer joshua the better athlete. There making athletes first nowadays the actual boxings taking second place. Joshua would be far too big strong for frazier but frazier will go down and was by far the better more skilled boxer. Different eras. Things move on. In terms of skill its went back especially the higher weights but in terms of athletes etc its came on a good bit maybe not in terms of stamina but everything else outwith that. All sports science now as opposed to long runs.

 

It was Foreman's style more so than his power that buried Frazier. It did two key things:

1) Stopped him getting close
2) Kept him in the firing line

Joshua is not built like young George nor does he fight like him. At this stage you would have to favour Frazier to beat Joshua, obviously.

With AJ all we have thus far is a destructive eye test against limp opposition. Dubblechin is correct that is the left hook which Joshua is open for. I noticed it before Whyte clocked him. The right hand drops plus he tends to square up when attacking. If Bermane Stiverne is next, and is put on a diet that doesn't include Ragu sauce, he may just upset Joshua with a counter hook.

Anthony can box fairly neat and has plenty of power but there are defensive lapses and he seems to have these recharge phases when his bulk works against him. He's obviously got potential but we won't know how much until he fight's someone who is actually world proven - ironic for a 'champion' but that is the state of the game.

 

Too soon to match him. I hope he is great and I have my hopes up, but there are too many questions left unanswered.

I will say this, guys a star. If he is as good as some think, I think he will be very good for boxing and he has the potential to make serious money.

Joshua vs Parker is a fight worth spending a little money to watch.