Why did Chavez beat Camacho?

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  1. Jay1990

    Jay1990 Active Member Full Member

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    I mean Hector had the speed, reflexes, good boxing iq etc.... I just don't get how he got punished the way he did. Opinions
     
  2. Jon Saxon

    Jon Saxon Active Member Full Member

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    Timing and strength.
     
  3. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Camacho was a bit past his finest and Chavez was a helluva fighter.
     
  4. 70sFan

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    I just watched this fight a couple weeks ago. I like both fighters. It was a systematic beat down. Chavez cut off the ring very effectively and caught Camacho continuously with straight right hands followed by the left hooks to the body. He put enormous pressure on Camacho. Camacho being a southpaw did not confuse Chavez one bit. Camacho was fast but did not have the firepower to keep Chavez off of him. Chavez just ground him down.

    I would have loved to see them fight at 130 in the early 80's maybe around 1984 would have been good.
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    careful selective management. He beat him the way he beat most of his name opponents; by catching him on the way out

    a victory over Camacho in a more timely match, say 1983-1987, would have been impossible

    it would have been like the Whitaker loss, only worse
     
  6. sas6789

    sas6789 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Because he was a better fighter.
     
  7. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    just watched the fight for the first time in years..it was definitely a systematic beat down of the highest order. Camacho just never had the power to keep JCC off of him and JCC showed some excellent footwork in cutting off the ring and applying constant pressure on him. Hard to use age as an excuse as they both were 30 and JCC had been in far more fights than Camacho, add that to the fact that pressure fighters tend to age quicker than boxers.
     
  8. JohnThomas1

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    Camacho had a bit of drug abuse going on too not to mention the wild partying, not conducive to a long peak or consistent top notch performances.

    Noway on Earth would 85 Camacho go life and death with Greg Haugen. You could probably put his peak around the mid 80's.
     
  9. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Its weird, Camacho got sparked by Rosario once in that fight which he went on to win and it seemed to completely change the fighter he was capable of being and was before the Rosario fight. When he fought Chavez its was like he was just trying to survive. Nothing like the way he was at super feather where he just dominated, and frankly embarrassed a lot of very good fighters.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Agreed. Don't forget his rather impressive schooling of Ramirez to win the 135 title not long before the rosario bout too.

    Rosario actually hurt him on two separate occasions in that fight. Rounds 5 and 11 from memory.
     
  11. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Quite simply, this.
     
  12. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    good call Foxy :good

    about time :rasta
     
  13. 70sFan

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    I agree, he was a different fighter after that fight. Earlier at 130, he was really something, unbelievable speed.
     
  14. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hector's speed and reflexes were not as good in '92 when the fight happened, as they were in his 1983-1987 prime. Camacho peaked earlier than Chavez.

    Chavez's strength, body attack and toughness would have always bothered Camacho, and prime v. prime, at 135 lbs, Chavez may have beaten him, but it would have been more competitive.

    Camacho showed heart, in the 9th round countering off the ropes with some big shots, but of course, the iron chinned Chavez was unfazed.
     
  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Anybody that thinks prime Camacho actually BEATS Chavez is pretty damn ignorant when it comes to boxing.

    Prime Camacho is more COMPETITIVE, but make no mistake, NO version of Camacho actually BEATS Chavez.

    Chavez was too good at cutting the ring, too accurate, too relentless.

    A PRIME Camacho got a gift decision over Rosario. He was a very good fighter, but there's nothing to suggest he ever beats a prime Chavez.