Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is very true. I think it would be fair to say that, on the road to Benitez, Leonard encountered legitimate top welterweight contenders, e.g. Pete Ranzany, Armando Muniz, and Randy Shields, as well as top 10 middleweight contender Marcos Geraldo.

    Not exactly easy pickings. Leonard earned his shot.
     
  2. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Sonny Boy, make no mistake there is nothing I say or write on here that I wouldn't say to your face or anyone else's. That you dksab, and are nothing more than a pathetic fanboy, is your problem, the same as it is the problem of all the other idiot Leonard fan boys on this forum.

    Stick to facts, instead of your schoolgirl like crush on Leonard.

    Above 147 he fought a nobody in Kalule.

    A well past his best Hagler.

    A 38 year old fat, past it Duran ( who was only ever an ATG LIGHTWEIGHT anyway ).

    2 catchweights, against Lalonde, and Hearns.

    Then got beaten, humiliated, battered and stopped against Norris, and Camacho respectively.

    That doesn't suggest to anyone he beats a prime Norris at 154, other than frankly stupid Leonard fanboys. Screaming from the rooftops what Leonard did or didn't do at 147 is completely irrelevant.

    Try comparing your silly little hero with the REAL Sugar Ray who beat everyone he ever faced at Welter, then went up and beat dozens of guys at Middle, rather than hug off the nuts of some goon, that cherry picked who he fought, and at what time, with added weight stipulations.
     
  3. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Few fought poorer opposition in their first 20 bouts than Norris. Prior to this he dominated in the worst area of the US for quality amateur fighters.

    Leonard was just the opposite. Great amateur career against top opposition.....best in the world. Followed by a much more rigorous pro career. Facts are the facts.
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Talking prime here not that poor washed up pug Norris faced. If B level welters like Brown could thrash peak Norris the fat lady has sung, warmed down and has one of the crowd backstage in the bath with her.

    Remember what they used to say - Where's there's a (prime) Sugar Ray, then there just HAS to be a way!!!!!
     
  5. Foxy 01

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    I suggest you just speak for yourself with your frankly stupid claim that people the world over would even want to recognise coke snorting wife beaters.

    Even if you were right ( which I very much doubt ) what has that got to do with how Leonard would beat a prime, class, fighter above 147, when in fact he never did? Unless you are going to try to sell us the extremely ordinary Kalule.
     
  6. Foxy 01

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    I love it.

    They are so desperate with their fan boyism, they are bringing up Leonard's amateur career, and his Welter achievements. All of which have less than fuk all to do with what he did above Welter, and the catch weights, plus other demands he used to get his paper titles.

    My favourite though is, if Julian Jackson could KO Norris, it stands to reason Leonard would. It doesn't get more pathetic than that.:rofl:rofl:rofl

    Reality.

    Leonard fought above 147 seven times. He stopped 2 guys, Drew 1 and was beaten twice, once by stoppage. 1 of his wins, and the draw were catchweight fights.

    Doesn't look that impressive really does it when you break it down? Funny how these facts and stats can get in the way of a good old bit of revisionism, eh?
     
  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not denying Leonard's opposition on the way up was better known than Terry's

    It was

    I'm just saying it didnt matter

    Case in point: George Foreman

    On his way to meeting with Frazier, up met with many unknown and unranked journeymen

    Did this fact do little to impede George's progress as a fighter, yes or no?

    Obviously not

    Did the fact that Joe's world class opposition was better known than George's club fighter opposition do anything to stem George's onslaught of Joe and treat him as tho he were just another stiff?

    No. Foreman Ko 2 Frazier

    and just as ineffective is using Norris' competition to determine Leonard as Terry's superior

    Norris UD 12 Leonard
     
  8. Flash24

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    Leonard must have cost you a LOT of money. You betted on Hagler didn't you? What you bet your house on the fight? Did your wife leave you? The only FANBOYS here are you and Red.Only a fanboy makes a fighter like Terry Norris seem like the 2nd coming of Ray Robinson lol.Get off the subject. Let the adults talk please.
     
  9. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    it's like the poor guy's stuck.

    I've asked him several times before how Ray would force Terry to stand stock still with his gloves at his sides and allow him to just hit him up and down, without retaliation

    and all he does is continue to change the subject

    What he REALLY wants to be able to say is this: Leonard UD 12 Norris

    or something similar

    How these guys ACHE to be able to claim it

    But they can't any more than they can claim leonard whipped Pryor (whom he ducked)

    or Curry

    or even better, Nunn (whom he also ducked)

    There just isnt any way to explainit other than Sugar couldnt deal with the mobility of Norris

    The Norris fight shows the perfect blueprint of how you beat Leonard

    and it wasnt even close

    I'm 100% confident that a prime Hagler would have beat Terry to it but he just didnt have any tools left. prime Hags wouldve punched Ray to pieces in no time (Hagler was just on another level above Leonard)


    I also believe Hearns (154 pound version) would lay out Leonard at the same weight

    I saw the fight between Leonard & Howard followed the next month between hearns & Duran

    believe me, it wouldnt have been pretty
     
  10. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just answering the name of the thread

    Why, you dont like it becuz I give too good an argument for you?

    actually I've made quite a bit off Ray. Thanks Ray :D

    The first Duran fight

    The first hearns fight

    After watching hags in training, I didnt feel confident so I stepped back for that one

    but more than made up for it in the Norris & Camacho fights

    Hell, EVERYONE wanted to bet me on the Norris fight!!

    For camacho, still found a fair bit of action by SRL fans that never lose confidence in their boy-the eternal optimists as I call them :lol:

    (even called the KO BY correctly)

    Right on the money!
     
  11. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think you're forgetting about several non-title fights that Leonard fought above 147, on his way up, and you might also be neglecting to include the Kalule bout. In all, I think he had 12 fights, which could be considered to be contests above 147, going 9-2-1, with 6 KOs.



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  12. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You claim Norris was the greater fighter.

    The numbers are not in his favor.

    Beating a shot Leonard does not cut it. Does Marciano get the credit for beating an old Louis? Does Holmes get the credit for beating an old Ali? Did Tunney get the credit for beating an old Dempsey?

    Norris win over Leonard is exactly along the same lines. It does not infer he would beat prime Leonard. Leonards stats are so much better in every respect.
     
  13. Flash24

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    No if you want to know my answer prime Leonard would stop a glass jawed Norris within 10 rds. Esp at welter. It would be the same result as the just as fast but hellava lot taller and much harder hitting Hearns fight. If Norris doesn't punk up like he did with Santana and find away to get himself disqualified. U see 2nd coming of R.Robinson. Most objective fight fans see a pretty decent fighter with a MAJOR achilles heel. A glass chin. So yes I will continue to question your true knowledge of the game with that utter nonsense on T.Norris.
     
  14. Foxy 01

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    Far from forgetting Kalule, I'm saying that was about his limit.
     
  15. Foxy 01

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    I deleted the rest of the garbage post. Suffice to say there is no such word as betted. Someone either has a bet, or they don't.

    After the fact they had had a bet. They hadn't betted.