Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

Regardless of how Norris did vs a shot Leonard he does not match up in any way to Rays accomplishments. Norris does not rate in comparison. He does not rate as a fighter all time. His stats are terrible.

 

Hasim Rahman does not rate as a fighter all time, but he KO'd Lennox Lewis ( who does ). So your point is?:roll:

 

I don't care how good you are defensively (see Willie Pep, Wilfredo Benitez Prime Ali ) your going to get hit eventually. China chin Terry went to sleep every time a decent fighter tested his chin. Even in his prime. What? You didn't know?

 

Wins against past prime ATG are never a reflection as to the outcome if said ATG was in prime form.

Norris stats are just terrible. Never realized what a poor record he actually had. Once fighting decent competition one out if every nine opponents knocked him OUT. Once fighting decent competition he lost one out if every five of his bouts. Very mediocre.

 

Yeah, yeah, bollox.

You have to be able to hit that glass chin, and at the same time protect your own. Leonard was no Julian Jackson as a puncher, that is for sure, but conversely when Norris found his whiskers with decent shots Leonard went down TWICE.

No one, repeat no one was claiming Leonard was chinny at the time. Even more ridiculous is any claim that Leonard surpassed Norris in speed of hand or foot even in 81 never mind 91.

Again Leonard would never have found the guts to fight a prime Norris at 154, because that was his optimum fighting weight. Ayub Kalule was about Leonard's limit at that weight.

I see you haven't answered the simple question as to why he stayed down at Welter and fought Finch and Howard for relative peanuts, rather than face Hearns again at 154 for megabucks.

About right for a soppy fan boy.

By the way, do try harder. The word you were looking for was thereof, not " their of ". It is hard to take someone seriously when they struggle to use a language correctly, yet claim to be knowledgeable about something, or indeed anything.

 

So which part of the above drivel is your excuse for the non ATG Rahman knocking out the ATG Lewis?

 

Meaningless. Does not indicate Rachman was the better fighter.

Have you sat down and looked at Norris terrible record? One of the worst I've seen in terms of a champion. First 20 fights were nothing more than an extension of his amateur bouts yet he lost two of them. Then once he started to fight better fighters he lost one out of every five bouts and was koed once in every nine bouts! Norris is as far removed from an ATG as any champion I have seen. Just a pathetic record.

 

So we're back to the grammar corrections now. That's OK, your far better at that then your knowledge of the fight game. And Terry was so great a defensive fighter he was knocked cold 4 separate times ,twice in his physical prime. Once by a blown up and old S.Brown . Get over your self.

 

Mugabi was a decent puncher and couldnt put terry to sleep

What you didnt know?

Ray leonard was a decent fighter/puncher and couldnt put Terry to sleep even on the occasions he reached him

Being an excellent defensive fighter, in addition, he was an excellent puncher (what, you didnt know?)

and the times he wasnt making Leonard miss by feet, he was ramming his fist down his throat

They say a good offense makes for a good defense

Terry Norris had both, and both were first rate

How many def at 154 does Ray have?

Terry has ten

 

leonard was fine. he won his previous fight by boxing, moving, throwiing combinations so he doesnt have any excuses over his fighting form

It's just the way he lost to Norris that disturbs people

Ray had never faced anyone with terry's speed, Terry's defense, or Terry's intelligent fight plan

All of it well wrought strategy

Terry's hands were amazingly quick. At first they startled Leonard and before long they intimidated him

That's why Ray had to go into full retreat mode after the second round

It also shows why Ray would never be able to muster a sustained offense against Terry; because Terry's quick bursts of speed will put Ray back on his heels

When terry hits you, it hurts!

Ray Leonard and John Mugabi back me up on this :yep

 

I can't believe this drivel has gone 14 pages

 

Well my knowledge is much more limited than posters of the calibre of Rooster and Foxy but the question is prime for prime and while accepting that there is a style issue for Leonard regarding Norris's speed I think Leonard would stop him.
Jackson and Drayton weren't exactly speedsters but they managed to catch him so i'm sure a prime Leonard would.

 

You are right, you, like soppy Flash, do lack knowledge. Drayton LOST to Norris, and Jackson had power that Leonard could only dream about

It doesn't matter how stupid you fan boys continue to make yourselves look the facts are Leonard had 2 worthwhile fights at 154, beat a B level fighter in Kalule, and was humiliated by Norris in the other one. He also ran scared of a 154 fight with Hearns between 82 - 84 preferring when he did fight to face Finch and Howard.

That is the reality, the opinions of moronic fan boys simply don't stack up. The most over hyped, and by extension over rated fighter ever. Prime ATG Welters DON'T get beaten by Lightweights, never mind imbeciles claiming this goon is the 2nd best Welter EVER. This was pure marketing with all the sports writers claiming this was the new Ali ( albeit at 147 ) good looking black guy, a showman in the ring, blah, blah, blah. Hell he even got the same trainer. After the lord mayor's show ( Welter ) it just became cherry picking.

The fact that there are muppets out there who believe what soap says on the packet, doesn't mean that everyone else has to be that stupid. Morons just accept and believe there is a god, sensible people question it.

NOTHING in Leonard's resume suggests he could beat any 154 champion above the calibre of Kalule, despite the schoolgirl crush like claims of his fan boys.

 

Learn to use grammar correctly before you reply to posts. You might not look such an ignoramus. nut

 

Apparently according to this fools ( FLUSH ) perverse logic 12 KO wins in world title fights ( all at 154 ) isn't as impressive as 8 KO wins in world title fights with 6 of them coming at 147, only 1 at 154, and the other a meaningless catch weight fight.

You couldn't make it up.