Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

My apologies Foxy for Drayton I meant Simon Brown,i'm at work having one of them days!
There's a lot of truth in what you say regarding Leonard i'm certainly no fanboy. I just think the question being asked is who would win prime for prime and I pick Leonard, I don't think it's an outrageous opinion. Despite what you say about his '91 bout with Norris there's no way that was a prime Leonard.
In my opinion the Leonard of the 1st two Duran bouts the Kalule and the 1st Hearns bout beats Norris.

 

well, just as you were wrong about Buster Drayton beating him (there is absolutely no excuse for this) you are wrong about Leonard beating him

It's a style issue and when it comes to power and sheer aggression, Leonard must take a back seat to Jackson

Look at the two of them side by side. Leonard is no power hitter and would take reams of shots to do the job while Jackson showed time and again, he only needs one plus one followup shot

And that's why your reasoning is faulty

 

it's because fools require more education to catch up with the rest of us

 

No it was a simple piece of absent mindedness regarding Drayton, I'm not conceding that.
You're right Leonard was no power hitter but he hit hard enough to KO Terry.

 

No problem, but I would submit Brown had more power than even a prime Leonard. On his worst winning night Norris is light years ahead of Kalule. It is on that basis I would pick Norris. I'm sorry but I'll say it again, NOTHING Leonard EVER did above 147 indicates he could beat any prime S / Welter above the level of Kalule.


The information simply doesn't exist. The information we DO have is that he ran scared of rematching Hearns at 154 for 2 years. It really is that easy if you let gullibility and / or fanboyism take a back seat.

 

That seems a strange claim Cecil. Leonard was no Jackson or Brown in the power stakes. So I don't see him taking Norris out early. And for sure prime Norris isn't going to gas the way Tommy did at 147 through dehydrating.

Leonard has no advantage in power, stamina, or speed at 154 over Norris with both in their primes, so I'm at a loss as to how you arrive at this conclusion.

 

Seriously?

There is more of an "education" to be gleaned from a recently used handkerchief than anything you have offered here.

 

If you're suggesting that Norris could beat a prime ATG Leonard by a freak result but be thoroughly outclassed in a return, it's always a possibility...

 

Well that's that then! There might as well never be another fantasy fight thread, involving two historically decorated champs in close but different weight classes.

Shame - a discussion on Pep vs Whitaker (@135, prime for prime) is now out of the question.

 

Norris once he started to fight live competition was very beatable. He lost seven of his last 36 bouts and was koed 4 times. He had a glass chin! His first 20 pro bouts were against very low level competition but he still managed to lose two of these bouts.

Norris has one of the worst records I've seen for a top pro champion. His record pales in comparison to Leonard. Leonards win over Hearns trumps anything Norris did at any time in his entire career.

 

You do a disservice to your argument when you try and claim SRL was fine and just as good as he ever was. That is being disingenuous and you know it Red.

 

'Sugar Madness' - It's a crying shame... ...been known to transform good posters into the Grammar Police too...

 

As usual you have nothing to say other than that most pathetic of cliches " Leonard was an ATG, Norris wasn't. "

So Leonard won a controversial decision over the definite ( though far from his prime, and faded ) ATG Hagler. Are you stupid enough to then claim he would beat Benn, Eubank, Watson, and Collins at 160 too, on the basis they were NOT all time greats.

Benn would definitely seriously comatose him with one shot from either hand. Eubank proved when he did exactly that to the bigger, stronger than Leonard, Watson, what he is capable of. Collins would probably drop his hands and invite Leonard to punch him, then walk through the fly swats and batter him into submission. and Watson had more than enough class combined with strength and power to deal with a blown up Welter. ATG or not.

So instead of quoting your childish cliches, tell us more of your fantasies about exactly what Leonard did at 154 to make your imbecilic claims about him beating Norris or any other 154 champion not named Kalule.

Until then sit in a corner with the other halfwits and keep dreaming about what you WISH Leonard could have done, as opposed to what he actually did.

You, boy machine, Perry, Flash Moron, and a few other fools, are simply fantasists who have NOTHING factual to back up your schoolgirl like fantasies.

 

Factual? All my information is accurate. Norris record was **** as compared with Leonard. Amateur to professional. Norris record shows him to have poor opposition and a glass chin. When he stepped up in opposition he lost on average in every five bouts he fought! Koed every nine bouts! Norris is so far removed from an ATG it's not debatable.