How many HW champions meet U.S. Army weight requirements?

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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/army-weight-rules.html



    Checking out the U.S army weight requirements is proberbly the best "inch for inch" guide to what is considered a natural healthy size for all ages and height ranges. How can it not be?

    It is very intresting to look at the maximum weight for each age and height range and discover that many great heavyweights would be considered too unhealthy to meet the requirements.

    Interestingly until about 1980 most heavyweights fit within this chart.

    I can only presume "Modern training" after this point must tell a bit of a story here.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Most champions before the 1980s are within the US army weight requirements.

    Muhammad Ali with a height of 75" at age 17-20 according to Army requirements he would be allowed to be a maximum of 206lb. Between the ages of 21-27 he is allowed a maximum of 212, 28-39 yrs he can afford a max of 217 and over 40 a max of 220. If you look at the important fights Ali was in shape for he was within this level.

    Joe Louis, Max Schmeling, Gene Tunney and Jack Dempsey all listed at 6'1" or 73" are allowed maximum weights to enter the army for the same age ranges of 195lb, 200, 205, 208. They were each within this.

    George Foreman at 217 was bang on the maximum weight for his height and age when he beat Joe Frazier.

    Shorter champions like Marciano and Floyd Patterson were also within these maximum guidelines for a 71" height. 185-197. Joe Frazier a little over.

    Then we come to Mike Tyson and David Tua...

    Lennox Lewis, Rid**** Bowe and the Klit brothers should never have been over 232lb by age 40!
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Is another one of your "wlad wouldn't be a SHW in Rocky's era" threads :lol:
     
  4. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Deontay Wilder meets the height-weight requirements. Well under, actually.

    He's 79 inches tall - and he weighs in below 241. About 15 pounds under the limit.

    Lots of room to bulk up.

    Anthony Joshua, on the other hand, is about 15 pounds over his limit. He should be 229.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No, it's kind of an actual example of how intresting it is that heavyweights used to predominantly fall within a maximum weight range for each inch of height and now they no longer do. What do you draw from this?
     
  6. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Deontay is unusually lean for current trends. At 31 perhaps he sets an example of a fighter who may be the same kind of weight in another era?
     
  7. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marciano was drafted into the U.S.Army in 1943. The Rock was stationed in Wales...and he was assigned to the 150th Combat Engineers. They were involved with operations on the English Channel. The 150th were awarded service stars for
    Normandy...the Ardennes...and Central Europe. Rocky was discharged in 1947.
     
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  8. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Does anyone know why the majority of current Super heavyweights no longer fall within Current U.S army weight requirements?

    Old timer heavyweights almost unanimously fall within even the current army weight requirements system.
     
  9. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    Because enlisting in the army and being a boxer are different professions?
     
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  10. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I dont think it is that simple. Heavyweights mostly always USED to meet the current system. They dont now.

    But all other weight categories do.

    If it's natural for big men to be so heavy for their height why are they so far off the scale on a modern army chart?
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    Most American males are probably hopelessly too fat for their army. But that's probably why the U.S. military relies on drone strikes so much now. Fat boys can sit on their a$$es eating doughnuts and pressing buttons*, wiping out villages on the other side of the world. Fat percentage doesn't come into it. It's much like playing video games.


    *The buttons are nice and big, to accomodate their fat fingers.
     
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  12. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    :yep
     
  13. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    We could ask the same re: NFL players. But I don't understand your point.
     
  14. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    It's not natural. That doesn't mean it's not good for boxing.
     
  15. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The point is for 20 years I've been listening to people tell me David Tua is big boned, that people are naturally bigger for their height, that Lennox Lewis and the Klits could never weigh less than 230lb, that it's NOT Artificial weight, that it's NOT an actual tactic to develop into that size and NOT changes in training that is making fighters too heavy for their height..

    When the truth is today the US army rejects anyone over and above what is naturally acceptably heavy for their height.

    Super heavyweight is largely a manufactured invention. A bye product of body building and deliberate modern tactics over the opposition.