Anthony Joshua's body just screams roids

Source to back this up?

 

By the way, BMI and FFMI are different. BMI's essentially worthless as it just measures mass regardless of composition. FFMI specifically measures fat-free mass (hence the name). Don't get them confused or you're going to end up with some funky numbers that'll totally skew your understanding.

Any fat ass would probably have a BMI in the 30s and it wouldn't be an achievement in the slightest. Solis, for example has a BMI of around 35. That's no indication of anything other than an eating disorder.

Joshua's FFMI of 26.5 indicates a man with more ability to put on muscle than the absolute best full time bodybuilders. Significantly more suspicious.

 

Can you please stop spinning the idea that an FFMI of > 25.0 is bulletproof evidence of PED use?

Kouri EM, et. al.Fat-free mass index in users and nonusers of anabolic-androgenic steroids. Clin J Sport Med. (1995) 5(4):223-8:

"Similarly, a sample of 20 Mr. America winners from the presteroid era (1939-1959), for whom we estimated the normalized FFMI, had a mean FFMI of 25.4. By contrast, the normalized FFMI of many of the steroid users in our sample easily exceeded 25.0, and that of some even exceeded 30. "

AJ's normalized FFMI is 26.5 + 6.3 x (1.8 – 1.97) = 25.5

 

You would need a precise body fat % to accurately calculate Joshua's FFMI and you can't accurately judge someone's body fat % by eye as people carry fat in different places.

If Joshua has 10% body fat then his FFMI is 25.4 which is (according to some website) exactly the average for top bodybuilders in the pre steroid era.

Training and nutrition has of course improved since then.

Joshua's lean muscle mass is high but not ridiculously so. There is no real reason why it can't be natural. Some people are obviously going to be on the high end. Some people are going to be above average. I also read that for a bodybuilder your FFMI has to be 30 or above to be really questionable.

Any pro athlete could be using but to me it's not impossible or even all that surprising for there to be the odd heavyweight boxer who's FFMI is in the upper percentile.

 

I don't see this incredible MASS that people are talking about. He's obviously going to be ripped from cardio. How about a positive blood/urine sample before we find him guilty, you know some actual evidence.

 

Some stars in this thread lol

He's ripped from cardio brah

Or

He watches his calories

Some real beauts

 

Agree. Let's forget BMI as it is useless. FFMI similarly is not a foolproof indicator either.I happen to know someone, rather well, who's pre steroid FFMI was 25.8, and is currently 29.9. What AJ has done is accheivable without the gear, whether he has used or not. Although, if you had to place money on it, I'd be betting on he has, safer bet.

 

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Those are top bodybuilders though. Joshua's a boxer. It's unrealistic to think that a man who has to run and spar in addition to other training and conditioning exercises is going to end up with more lean mass than a smaller man who's able to devote all his efforts to muscle building. Advances in training and nutrition alone don't account for that.

Besides, in all important respects, training principles haven't really changed in the last hundred years. The only major difference is, you guessed it, drugs.

Arnold in his prime had an FFMI of around 28, and needless to say he wasn't the least bit natural. Anyone who's only going to question an FFMI of over 30 should basically not bother. 25 is the number for a reason.

 

What an incredible lie. The Masai are tall, maybe as much as 6ft average for males but 6'5 for males and 6' for females is delusional, unsupported nonsense. The tallest people on earth are Europeans. Most African populations have an average male height of around 5'7.

 

This whole thread is full of clueless morons.

- The only boxer who comes close to AJ's proportions before the steroid era (late 1950's) is Primo Carnera. He had the same type of jaw that other sufferers of Acromegaly had. A study of AJ's Jawline over the years is enough proof that he is on a wealth of high quality clinically produced androgens and does not have Carnera's condition.
- 25 is not proven to be an absolute cut off point for natural user if the body fat is above 10%. However it must be noted that some forms of testosterone were available before steroids officially were in the market and the 25.4 FFMI of 'pre-steroid era' Mr Olympia's almost certainly includes men who were using whatever crude method of increasing their test levels were available to them at the time.
- People saying that AJ is not remarkably huge are demented idiots. He is the same size as Wlad who is a gigantic man also on steroids (we know Vitaly was a juicer and Wlad is the same size and more ripped) as well as Lennox. These are the the post 1990's steroids-PLUS gang (using HGH as well as exogenous male hormones). A man who is 6 foot 6 can easily weigh 245+lbs, but not with that shape or that amount of lean muscle or at that bodyfat. To say otherwise is absurd and divorced from reality. Some of you are seemingly incapable of comparing modern athletes to pre-steroid era athletes and seeing how clear it is that the limitations of human biology can only be superceded in such a fashion by drugs.
- in Joshua's first pro fight he weighed in at 233lbs and has gone up as high as 249lbs without ever appearing more than 12% bodyfat. A HW Olympic Gold medal winning body cannot accumulate an extra 15-20lbs of muscle naturally, FACT. But people who study the past know that anyone in peak boxing condition above 200lbs is HIGHLY suspicious (i.e. everyone since Liston - yes that includes Ali who went from 175lb gold medal at the Olympics to 215lbs as a pro at a similar bf% WITHOUT WEIGHT TRAINING The HW boxers at the Olympics are also all on drugs because everyones pockets get lined an ever more sensational athletes and contests are produced for the gullible fee paying masses
- The reason AJ gets flak for this and Lennox Wlad etc don't is because AJ seems to have a golden ticket. Most observers who understand boxing did not think he won the gold medal to begin with and probably should not have even reached the final. Add to that his paper champ status and the intense media coverage he gets even though FURY his countryman is the legit champ, the man that beat the man.

in conclusion, of course he is on. None of these tall men could box if it wasn't for steroids. Tall men are incapable of being as coordinated and will always have suspect chins...unless you put them on a diet of PEDs because most of the anrdogen receptors are in the masculine areas of the body act as shock absorbers for a punch (Jaw, Neck, Upper Chest, Traps, (Anterior) Deltoids and upper arms). A study of AJ's neck is enough to conclusively rule out any possibility that he is not on drugs. If that bursts your bubble then you are naive and have learning to do.

 

Athletes do get ripped from consuming less calories.
It's partly genetics. But around 95% of men who train hard can be as lean as AJ if they diet. Of course, it's hard and there's really no point doing so except for looks, since for most sports have a bit more bodyfat than that is fine.

 

What do you class as big ? Some 5'6 guy waddling around with 20 inch arms and 30 inch legs ?

6'6 and 250 pounds is big. Heavyweight boxers are big.

The tall guys with a bit of muscle on their frames always get called "big man".

Who's bigger ? Lee Priest or Anthony Joshua ?

 

You think Aaron reed is natty. You clearly know nothing about what can be achieved naturally in weightlifting/bodybuilding. Please stop commenting on this subject. Once again...Aaron reed natty...

 

I just googled him.
Pics come up of him in varying sizes. Some in which his physique looks 100% naturally achievable.
But at his biggest he's clearly taking something, I agree.