Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

You mean our resident Charlie Zelenoff is a hypocrite?!
Don't believe all that nonsense he spouts mate, the bloke has probably never had a fight in his life.


I find him amusing:hey

 

yeah a month or so ago I backed him into a corner (again) and he got all defensive aggressive and started ranting and raving how he beat up a marine at a bar using first a weapon and then a barstool, until he was banned soon thereafter

he wanted everyone to fear him over the Internet, lmao

yes he is very amusing, he put me on ignore after he couldn't keep his cool replying to me, what a BABY :deal

 

If memory serves correct, i believe it was a jackhammer, followed by barstool....impressive stuff, and of course, something us doormen never have to resort to, hehe.

Poor old Charlie.

 

its the trademark of a coward that is so scared he needs a weapon before he dares try anything :nono

he also implied that he put the dude in hospital atsch

at least Charlie uses his fists :bbb

 

Hey Einstein lets recap how you have done so far in your desperation to hug Leonard's nuts even tighter.

You have elevated Duran to an ATG Welter ( he wasn't )

Elevated both Kalule, and Palamino to ATG's per se ( they weren't )

Awarded both Norris and Kalule defeats against guys they didn't even fight.

Awarded Leonard wins against guys he didn't even fight.

Gone against your hero's own observations

to make the moronic claim Hagler was still the same force to be reckoned with that he was in his prime.

Claimed Curry was a nobody conveniently forgetting 2 things.

1.The majority of your countrymen ( and no doubt Leonard fanboys in particular ) claimed that the destruction at the hands of Honeyghan was due to Donald being " dead at the weight " , and

2. Curry was indeed on your little hero's list of " intended opponents " when he came out of one of his many convenient " retirements " in December 83, as was his victim McCrory.

Claimed those same convenient retirements were for genuine medical reason, despite the medical evidence of the dates of the surgeries, and Leonards own announcements that his eyes were fine but he just " wanted " to remain retired. Perish the thought that this mght be construed as cherry picking in the same way Mayweather is blasted for doing exactly that.:roll::roll:

And to top it all.

You have claimed that the 6' 1", 78 " wingspan Hearns could quite easily have kept boiling down to 147 if he had chosen to, it was merely his choice to go immediately up to both Light middle and Middle in a matter of months after September 81, rather than physical necessity.

And you wonder why you are considered as nothing more than a joke. If you are supposed to be representative of what is clever, I'd hate to read what the Murican idiots have got to say.

Your problem is you think and act like a nut hugging fanboy, but don't like to be labelled as such.

Now, off you trot like a good dog.:hi:

 

actually, Magoo isn't considered a joke on here, maybe a joker, :bbb

you love to twist the truth around hoping nobody notices don't you :nono

The internet is a fun place to get away with that isn't it Foxy :rasta

 

It was an iron bar, then the bar stool. No, what you doormen do is gang up on young boys when they are drunk and puff out your steroid filled chests after you have battered them.

But when all else fails you run back inside lock the doors and ring the old bill, just like the muppet Courtney and his gang of morons did when they took liberties with a young traveller at the Queen Mother's reservoir night club, when a couple of van loads of his friend came back tooled up.

I am sure there are plenty of folks that are impressed by knuckle dragging thugs who beat kids up mob handed, then scream old bill when it comes on top, but I ain't one of them.

For the record, I put the cretin genital on ignore because I consider him to be perverted scum, due to his filthy comment about a child, and an adults genitals. This after I did everything in my power to provoke him by PM into doing more than just mouth off over the net.

I see you like to name drop.

Well go back and check how Roy Shaw got on against another pal of mine over here called Alan Jones, who along with his lovely wife had the Wibbly Wobbly floating pub in Surrey Dock, and indeed I believe his sister in law still does have it.

While you are at it you can check out another guy over here, but originally from Southampton, who also beat the so called unbeatable McClean, both in unlicensed fights.

 

Foxy said, "This after I did everything in my power to provoke him by PM into doing more than just mouth off over the net."

So you are finally admitting you started PMing me (60 plus PMs over the last year) with words you were aware would get you banned if you dared speak them to me in the forum :deal

Actually Foxy, the stuff you said to me in PM would get you more than banned in my opinion, the stuff you kept sending me over the last year was so over the top for so long I have no doubt every member in Classic would be appalled reading it and would have no problem calling you out on it. That's why you went to PM correct?

Regardless Foxy, I found it funny as well as gross just because you are so messed up I couldn't help but keep laughing at you which is why you finally put me on ignore if you are to be honest :rasta

You just didn't consider it wouldn't be that easy which is why you then promptly self destructed (again) in the forum and got yourself banned only to keep blaming it on me while you supposedly ignoring me

Foxy, you have rage and hate issues dude. That comes directly from self loathing. Think about.

I hope you served some time for using a IRON bar and a barstool on some drunk unsuspecting dude, the bars I go to they would rip the barstool out of your hands and send you home with one of its legs up your ass if you ever tried such a cowardly trick you weasel. You don't use weapons in a bar fight. You use weapons when you go to war, which there is no doubt you know nothing of you cowardly weasel :rasta

 

He was a fighter RISING in weight to meet Norris, which is the same veiled argument that you made for Duran rising in weight to meet Leonard.. The key difference here is that one of them ( Duran ) was an ATG and would also PROVE himself in multiple divisions

An avenged loss, yes. But hardly of the same magnitude and for reasons already stated multiple times..

That didn't stop Duran from winning belts at Jr. Middle, Middle and even a few fights at super middle. Brown was finished after battering Norris at 154

He turned pro in his mid teens which is rare in and of itself, and by the time he was mid to late 20's was having difficulty making weight.. People grow..

Yes. Being in most people's top 10 p4p in the 130 year history of the sport does tend to pull some weight by most people's reckoning. you ignore the fact that Duran's abilities and achievements clearly extended beyond lightweight, but I think for now we'll move on..

The man had already been fighting at Ray Leonard's weight for more than two full years, and through 8 fights, including a win over a solid boxer in Palamino.. I know that you've gone through great lengths to trivialize this, but the fact stands that its a hell of a lot more than what Simon Brown, Meldrick Taylor, or Maurice Blocker did when ascending to Norris's weight and prior to facing him...

I'm not going to start a side debate on the career of Carlos Palamino.. If you want to do so, then start a thread trashing the man and see what support you get.... he was by all standards a solid welterweight who was never stopped in a pro ring, has claim to winning 8 world title fights and who's name now sits in both the World Boxing Hall of Fame as well as the International boxing hall of fame.. And unlike many of Norris's best opponents, he was in his prime when Duran beat him...

if the quality of an opponent rests on the shoulders of having a " 100% record", then I'd say Norris' record against such men pales to Leonard's.

The Kalule win was meaningful to me for 3 reasons:

A. Because it came in the midst of long sequence of tough fights for Leonard in a relatively short time.

B. Because it was his first meeting at Jr. Middle and he was taking on a solid member of that class..

C. Because he made good use of the opportunity and beat him convincingly..

It really has nothing to do with weather or not Kalule was a great fighter.. But I'd say he was better than the following, Brett Lally, Pat Lawlor, Rene Jacquot, Carl Daniels, Jorge Vado, Luis Santana, Joe Gatti, Troy Waters, Alex Rios or a completely shot and faded Donald Curry.

Regardless, he was a beaten fighter. And given Norris's tendency to hit men after the bell, I don't think the integrity by which Ray Leonard won his fights should be questioned.
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I'm not going to turn this into a political issue.. Take that somewhere else... This is a boxing discussion.

You seem hellbent on Leonard facing ONE man who was smaller than he was.. Are you aware that not one, but SEVERAL of Norris's best opponents were men who started their careers below his ? Are you aware that many of these same men were past their primes? Are you also aware that some of them had never even had a SINGLE fight at Terry's weight before meeting him??

These facts mean nothing.. For all we know he opted to stay retired because his family and his doctors talked him out of risking blindness. Maybe the guy was burned out... Maybe he found a new hobby or maybe he heard voices in his head... There is nothing in this pile of text you've thrown out which is anything other than incidental occurences, none of which alludes to the fact that he was ducking anyone, particularly some of whom he had already beaten or would later beat...

It was his first bout in two years.. He looked like shlt but still won.. Big deal. Terry Norris managed to compile NINE losses by the age of 30 and half of whom were to mediocrities who were as bad as Howard.. I can't believe you even think you have a case with this argument..

Duran?? You mean the same LIGHTWEIGHT Duran who fought Leonard at welterweight, only this time was four years older and fighting at jr. Middle rather than welter????

What lies? What spin?

I never said that it did.. And of course Terry's resume there is superior.. He spent his whole Fvcking career married to that weight and never once stepped out of his class to take a chance against anyone elsewhere.... Well accept against Dana Rosenblatt who beat him..

WTF are you even talking about?

The catchweight argument in favor of Lalonde was drivel, as that it in no way surmounted to the disadvantages Leonard had or the adjustments he himself had to make. Common sense should tell anyone this, and all they have to do is LOOK.

If you're trying to sell me on the Notion that Curry was better in 1992 than Kalule was in 1982, then no dice....

 

And all of that is supposed to impress me?

Lol, keep on giving Charlie boy :yep

 

you know Foxy is loosing it when he starts to NAME DROP real peoples names in a boxing forum while using a alias

of course he has to name dudes far tougher than himself because he is that kind of coward :good

I should contact those dudes and send him Foxy's posts

get Foxy banned from his local bar

 

Curious how you come to the rescue of Rooster every time he's attacked. Are we attacking your alter ego ( alternative account?)

He beat two hall of famers in their primes there.. That qualifies for me and most rational people.

Never said Kalule was.. Palamino? might very well be.

When did I say this?

Never did that either.

 

Rooster and Foxy are the same person.. Writing style is the same. The trolling styles and the exact subjects they choose to troll about are the same.. Hell they even complement each other, and you'll notice that one shows up almost immediately after the other does.. I think its time for the admins to do a little URL tracking and ban someone.