Sugar Ray Leonard v Terry Norris prime for prime

That depends on who you ask.

Carlos Palamino is held in pretty high regard in a lot of circles brah.. He may not be an ATG on the level of Duran, Leonard, Robinson, etc, But he was still a significant scalp at the time...Duran beating both of those guys, Leonard an ATG, and Palamino, A solid former champion who later made the hall of fame is a lot of substance.

No.. but I'm not sure where you're even going with this.

Part of Greatness is what other make of YOU and hence why the perception of all time greatness exists. I doubt Muhammad Ali would have the status of greatest heavyweight of all time, if most fans and experts thought he was shlt against other fighters in the ring.

I explained the confusion of the whole Leonard-Kalule-Kalambay thing and I think you knew that it was a slip.. If you want to hang onto that thinking that I truly BELIEVED that Leonard fought Kalambay ( despite following Leonard's career and boxing for more than 30 years ) because you think it gives you some sort of edge, then all the more power to you..

Meh... Montana.. Santana... What difference does it make. He got himself disqualified twice against a shlt fighter who most don't even remember.

I never said ALL the guys Hearns fought... I said the guys "you gave Leonard fvck all credit for beating", meaning Duran and Benitez, although you did say on a few occasions that Benitez was a good win.. But stop putting spin on shlt or you'll get called on it every time.

No.. Not just fantasy fights.. The fact that he beat TWO PRIME hall of fame men in including a consensus p4p ATG AND also that he's commonly favored over a lot of welters..

Hopefully this has been covered sufficiently.

Again, a confusion of names while being in the midst of working.. Montana... Santana... Who really gives a flying fvck?

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Aside from all this needless typing and repetition ( over a topic that shouldn't even be debatable ) I'm not finding it that difficult to debunk your nonsense.

 

Got to admit, i genuinely chuckled at that one!.....you are a worthy adversary:good

 

Pretty much yeah.. He's basically been reduced to hanging his hat on twisting around comments..

 

So after yet ANOTHER load of wind, and p!ss, using a hundred words where ten would suffice, we have.

1. McGuigan is NOT an ATG just because he is in some poxy insignificant HOF

2. Palamino is NOT an ATG either.

3. Laing is NOT an ATG based on the obvious conclusion beating ONE all time great doesn't include you in that category.

4. Despite you're completely irrelevant references to Ali's proven beyond doubt greatness, Duran is NOT recognised as an ATG WELTER, rather as an ATG LIGHTWEIGHT.

5. Your hilarious wriggling when pulled up on less than basic mistakes regarding who fought whom, and when.

Humiliating you is easy, and therefore nothing like as much fun as seeing you humiliating yourself by finally coming round to accepting what you were told 5 or 6 posts earlier.

For instance

Magoo. " Palamino was an ATG "

Foxy. " No he wasn't "

Magoo. " Well he was a cert HOF, blah, blah, blah, bollox "

And on it goes. You are too easy sonny boy.:hi:

 

Coming from a self proclaimed funny guy I suppose I should take that as a compliment.

 

You'd have lost like the people who bet against me

I noticed recently that there's alot of bad blood coming from the losing side (Man-Machine, Perry, Magoo, Latineg, J. Thomas, etc)

There's really no need to complicate this or let the conversation get so ugly and personal (I hate that)

let's just say that back in Leonard's day, no one but leonard was fast

and he fared well against all of them but once he hit that speed barrier, he was reluctant to take fights with those fighters

Suffice it to say that, the slower opponents were, the better Leonard fared while the faster they were, Leonard fared worse

It's one of those inverse relationships

With that being said, we could expect that no matter WHEN this fight took place, that Terry would overwhelm srl with sheer speed alone

 

maybe but maybe not red :good

 

as to this notion that Palomino was an all time great, Magoo gets easily impressed and confuses widespread exposure with ability.

Carlos just happened to be in the right place at the right time with him taking acting lessons and Coors trying to clean up its image with Mexicans, a very large number of their clients (Mexicans are as important to the beer industry as they are to the canned beans industry).

No doubt these are images of Carlos in late 70s/early 80s Coors commercials left on an impressionable baby Magoo which is understandable but it seems he never grew out of it

 

it seems that the results are already in

Norris 120

srl 106

 

if we assume that was SRL's prime then yes,,,

 

He doesn't want the "belt", he just wants to beat HIM.

 

Yeah nice line of shlt you just spewed there pal, but I think I can do better... After about a dozen pages of your nonsense you still have:

1. Duran was nothing but a lightweight when sugar ray fought him despite already establishing himself in that class and going on to win titles at even higher weights later.

2. Norris getting his ass positively KICKED by an aging fighter ( also moving up in weight ) was better than Leonard losing a hard fought decision to one of the greatest fighters of all time..

3. Carlos palomino was garbage, but never mind his induction into multiple hall of fame institutions and being a very recent lineal welter champ in his prime.

4. Sugar Ray supposedly retiring solely for the purpose of ducking hearns who he had already beaten and hagler who he'd beat later, with no real evidence. And of course forget about the multiple eye surgeries.

5. Leonard moving up and beating an undefeated jr. Middle champ in his prime, and better than most of Norris's opponents and despite being in the midst of a very busy and tough schedule was a shlt win for Leonard.

6. Beating Marvin hagler was meaningless because he was past it. but never mind Leonard challenging for the middleweight title ( something Norris never did ) and in his first fight in that class and after years of inactivity.

7. And finally.. Picking Norris to beat a prime Leonard based on their actual meeting which featured a nearly 36 year old Leonard, who fought only a handful of times in the last decade and who slimmed down to a weight he hadn't made in years...

Great stuff buddy.. You certainly made a friend of red rooster.. Maybe the two of you should write a letter to ring magazine asking for your own column.. I'm sure it would make for great entertainment..

 

Sugar Leonard was great, it's just that Sugar Robinson was betterrrr

 

Unfortunately red rooster and others never factor in Ray fought 3 times between end of 81 and Hagler in 87 , then including once in 5 years.. Moving up 2 weight classes to beat a 32 year old Hagler who owned the middleweights stopping every contender he faced except Duran. No losses in 10 years.. Where was to factual evidence he slowed so much, possibly lateral movement forced him to look slower since shorter more powerful accurate punches turned into longer Less powerful looping shots, plus look at the Duran fight . Simple tactics like Duran making Hagler lead impacted his effectiveness. But some fans seem to not know styles and technique impact the fight!!






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sorry but you will have to do better than that if you want to convince me

Norris 120

srl 106

I hold all the cards

you still sit on the mourner's bench