Can you spell it out, I'm still not getting it and don't want to be off base. All I see is that their boxing skills are not great - which may or may not be true but it's irrelevant, using pure boxing form in an MMA match would like bringing a knife to a gun fight. Then I see that they aren't good fighters, which is incorrect - at the elite level. Where did I go wrong?
Nate is the best boxer in MMA.. he has a great boxing jab.. and overhand.. Nate is the best "Boxer" in the MMA..
What i'm trying to say is an MMA fighter's boxing skills should be better. Let me start with Conor McGregor, he is a standup fighter. His main art is boxing, it's what he's best at. Most of his fights are won via Boxing. All of a sudden a mediocre boxer enters the UFC and beats everyone. (i'm excluding Diaz because i'm talking about Conor's original weight class) This, to me, shows a lot of fighters lack the skill of hand to hand combat. When people say Mayweather would get destroyed by McGregor in an octagon, a small bit of me disagrees. The same with Skip Bayless from ESPN. If Conors main art is boxing, and mayweather is a master of it, what happens when mayweather easily lands shots on that jaw? But hey that's a whole other conversation. I simply think MMA fighters are good at many things, but a master of none. A man who is a master at one is more of a professional in my eyes. To end, this is just my opinions... Opinions aren't right or wrong, truth or lie, it's your own view. I don't mean any disrespect to anyone. Thanks :hi:
Obviously Mayweather just needs negative infinity to his positive infinity to be great at MMA.. if barx is the one point art.. and MuayThai+ is the 8 point art..
Fair, and can agree with this and take that as both ways. More interesting when a debate/discussion can keep flowing without falling into a mess - there's more to learn and/or think about if it stays quality even if we don't agree. That's an interesting leap to me, you are saying someone who isn't primarily a boxer comes in and beats everyone - including the "boxers" and the conclusion is boxing needs to be more focussed on? If someone with clear logic walked in to a conversation with absolutely no prior understanding or therefore preference to any martial arts and heard that I'd say the easiest conclusion to come to is that whatever the new guy brought to the table could be more effective for the task at hand. On the flipside, how does mayweather's shoulder-roll handle being charged, taken to ground and ground and pounded? Fairly reasonable chance that is one of the first things that someone would do to him in MMA who weren't severely disillusioned. David Tua had one of the most effective left hooks in boxing and was often bashed for being limited as a result of him often relying on and trying to set up to use it. How is this different? Being "professional" just seems like an extraordinarily weird way of looking at it, being "effective" is what matters... especially as a professional. If you are facing a range of different martial arts even in a single bout then you are best to have ways of coping with at least a certain degree of what they can throw at you. Being a master of boxing will not get you far once someone gets a hold of you, and in the real world its VERY hard to avoid that
Pretty sure I said Conor McGregor is primarily a boxer. I'm saying boxing needs to be more focused on because of this, how easy it is for mma fights to be one via boxing. Do I think Mayweather would beat McGregor in an octagon? Hell nah. But I'm saying there is more of a chance of mayweather beating mcgregor in mma than mcgregor beating mayweather in boxing.
The Diaz bros would Atleast get in the ring. Big nog lasted one round with me. I live in oc ca and there is not one top name that will step in the boxing ring. James Wilkes and joker have bal ls. These guys don't wanna learn and are scared to get clowned infront of their peers.
This I can agree with, but that's because it's a ridiculous comparison. Boxing is a martial art that can be used as a part of MMA, so Floyd gets to bring his whole training to the fight (and will still get hammered). If Conor McGregor does boxing he has to cut out a huge percentage of the skills he has developed to be a competitive MMA fighter and then try and fight one of the ATG boxers and beat them at their own game with a subset of his own. I can't see how you'd look at it that way and somehow decide boxing needs more focus. A boxer would enter MMA with no other training and very unlikely to go far, whereas you can get a very competitive Jiu Jitsu or Judo practitioner do the same and be competitive with no further training.
