Errol Spence Jr. Is Befuddled By Slick Southpaws and Speed-A Harbinger Of Things To Come?

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I actually wrote an article about resumes not mattering as much as passing the eye test for me. So no I'm not getting anything confused, I even mentioned in that thread that Spence clearly passes it. That being said there is a difference between someone passing the eye test with flying colors and that guy wiping out with ease solid well rounded fighters who also not only pass the eye test but have the resumes to back it up like Canelo, Kell, Porter, Thurman and even Maywether and Pacquiao who I've seen people having Spence as the favorite over.:lol:

    And where do you get the idea that I DON'T think GGG is elite? I've written 4 articles extolling his greatness.

    AJ on the other hand is the epitome of a hypejob.
     
  2. ki_ote

    ki_ote Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, 4 years when you are a kid still maturing is a long time. These guys were 7 and 4 years older than Spence. At equal ages you wouldn't get the same result.

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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    How do you know that for a fact? And what do you think it impossible for him to face a fighter as a pro who is 7 and 4 years older than him with far more experience? Same thing could easily happen again with a fighter like Brook, who is a style nightmare for Spence.
     
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    ki_ote Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There's a big difference there. Once your in your middle twenties the playing field has evened out quite a bit, maturity wise, until the decline starts around middle thirties.
    There are exceptions, of course, not to mention; the amateurs and pros are two different worlds.
    The Russian, to me, looks an awful lot like Calzaghe in there. And, according to this forum Joe is a laughing stock. Although personally, I feel he fairly easily adjusted and outboxed everyone he faced.
    All I'm saying is Spence didn't have the experience or maturity or style to win in the Olympics, but that's not 10 or 12 rounds in the pros. Time will tell. And Spence is the only one of the two fighting now, so it doesn't really matter.

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  5. Pimp C

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    The thing is when assessing fighters is that you have to be careful you must remember that these guys get better. I always knew Spence would be a better pro than an amateur due to his style. He's a murderous body puncher. I thought Chris Algieri would be a good test for Spence because I knew he would show movement but it didn't matter Spence broke him down and stopped him anyway. Spence is the real deal and I've said this for awhile, he would beat Thurman if they fought.
     
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  6. elchivito

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    Algeri, despite his feather touch, is tough as nails contender. I won't bring up his success at 140 because it's irrelevant we talkin 147 here, and he did better than most expected against Khan. But that's the thing, Khan has been hyped up to be something he isn't and that was an elite 147lber. But because 147 was ruled by great fighters who weren't originally natural 147lbers to begin with, Khan is considered an elite. So in reality, only Thurman and Brook are the real welters, or were, so now that a powerful, natural welter like Spence has entered the picture, he's mowing down opponents left and right. I don't want to get into an argument about who punches harder, the more important matter is really how you put that power to use. And Spence, to me, going to the body, which is essential against ANY style, has the sign of a great fighter. He's not perfect, I saw Algeri land some right hands that makes you wonder how Spence would take against a puncher like Thurman, but even Thurman is wary of Spence, for good reason. You can give Spence all the credit or criticize all you want, but that feinting and body punching, just those 2 things alone, which seem like lost arts these days, are going to take Spence Jr very far. From 147-160, things are going to get real interesting.
     
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    rhin0z> Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I dont think the TRUTH even looks like the same guy. surprising how three years of polishing has bought more shimmer and shine
     
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  8. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :roll: :rofl
     
  9. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah but he's had 3 years of polishing against come forward fighters who are there to be hit. He hasn't had one match against a fast or slick fighter to show us how much he's improved in that department. In could be a case of Haymon and crew accentuating the positive and eliminating the negative.
     
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  10. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Sometimes I wanna fly to Florida(AS MUCH AS I HATE THAT STATE) and just beat you into unconsciousness, wake you up and then put you back to sleep.

    What makes AJ a hype job, you cynical mutha****a? He has stopped everyone in front of him and wants to fight the top guys at heavyweight. GGG has been a notorious cherry picker. He now has the pick of the litter and he chose to beat up on a bum fighter at 147. Lets crown that maggot now. King GGG of the bum squad!!! Place the crown of thorns on that maggot and tell him to die sick and slow.

    Anthony Jousha is not American but I like that big ass ***** because he does what he has to do. I like Povetkins drug filled white ass too because he does what he has to too. Hopefully all them big maggot ass *****s can fight Luis Ortiz black ass and every one can be put to sleep. Like an old fashion "battle royale".

    Do you know what a "battle royale" is you smart maggot? It's when whites would get poor black kids, yes kids, and blind fold them and make them fight until the last man standing. Jack Johnson used to do that. That is why he would never fight Black men as a HW champion. He had to beat up his own people as a child. Sick ass mutha****as making black children do that ****.
     
  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    AJ is the epitome of a carefully managed illusory hypejob, the majority of his opponents have been no hopers with no chins, and the rest a bunch of unproven at even near the top level guys with shiny 0's that are in hot commodity now days. AJ has no chin, his footwork is average, his skills are average, in no way does he wow me in the least.

    And I agree with you, King Kong Ortiz's "black ass" stomps them all into a greasy spots, including PEDvetkin, Wilder beats both of their asses as well.

    GGG's opponents are all levels above anyone AJ or Spence have faced, and Brook is one of the most gifted fighters in the sport and the fact that you and many others can't see that, makes me question how many of his matches have you actually watched? I have no doubt Brook would give Canelo hell, and possibly beat him, Kell is one of the most consistently underrated fighters on here by Americans because he's British and AJ is one of the most consistently overrated fighters by the British because he's British.:lol:

    What am I supposed to say about black kids fighting in battle royale's?:confIt's not my fault.
     
  12. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    I fully agree with you until this part. It drives me mad that you think Brook is talented. As delusional as Amir Khan is he has only been right about Kell Brook and that fact that Brook is a king journeyman belt holder. Every time you say something like that about Kell I want to ****ing punch you. Kell Brook has struggled with C level guys, and I mean like blood and guts struggled.

    Kell Brook is a nice guy but his style is absolutely British. It is so British that I get prejudice when I see him fight and he is Black but his style is so British that it maddens me to the point where I want to stab his other leg. Why do you sudden find Brook appealing?:huh When he talks regular in interviews I like him, but as soon as he takes a fighting stance and I see his back upright and locked and his ****ing fist with his thumbs pointed downward I want to see him shaking on the canvass.
     
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  13. mirkofilipovic

    mirkofilipovic ESB Management Full Member

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    What the **** is wrong with you?
     
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  14. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I've been hyping Brook since 2014 on here, which is right after I started officially posting, all my fellow American posters were hyping the hell out of Porter, who I like a lot, and saying he was the next Mike Tyson and he was going to KO Brook, and I disagreed with them all and said Brook would win and fairly easily, this has nothing to do with GGG, I did a thread on Kell hyping him quite some time ago, I'm being very consistent.

    Brook struggled with one C-level guy in Jones years ago, he wasn't adequately prepare for the fight and it showed in the ring, he's yet to make that mistake since. Just like guys like Badou Jack can have an off night and literally get KTFO, yet most people on here choose to act like that never happened.:lol: Brook had a bad night and still won the match, but barely, and years later people harp on it because it drives their agenda. Porter isn't a bum, and Brook beat him more decisively than Keith Thurman who isn't a bum, Senchenko isn't a bum, Gavin, Dan and Bizier are all Bundu/Algieri level. Could Brook have fought better comp in the last few years, yes, but most people aren't all that eager to face him are they?
     
  15. CST80

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    Oh yeah Willie I almost forgot, Kell Brook is slick.:deal