Why does size matter?

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  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The SHWs of now are not better than the super heavies of let's say 80 years ago for example. Do you even watch klitschko fight? He clinches for an entire round and throws 3 punches. If you ever decide to challenge your own claims then compare a Carnera fight with that of Klitschko. They fight literally exactly the same with a slight edge to Carnera who had better speed.

    Fury was nearly knocked out by Cunningham. A cruiserweight and a decent cruiserweight at that.

    How would super heavyweights have spontaneously gotten a lot more skillful? They didn't. They just took over the division and ran it to ****.

    Nobody that actually watches boxing objectivley when it comes to comparing skill will say that the Klitschko's nor any SHW is good. I have watched countless shw fights and just don't see it.

    How do you know Fulton doesn't compare with today's heavies skill wise when there isn't any footage of him fighting? Could it be because Dempsey brutally beating him doesn't fit your agenda?

    There are countless instances of Super Heavies getting destroyed by traditional sized heavies. Even Galento said that big guys are easy to beat because they are just a bigger target.

    If 6 footers can't beat super heavies then how can you explain Mike Tyson's entire career? David Tua? These guys were 5'10" knocking out super heavies.
     
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    Because p4p is mainly to compare the smaller weight classes on an even level.
     
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  3. Mr.DagoWop

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    Im still waiting on the name of that thread where I supposedly claimed Billy Conn was a puncher.
     
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    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    We're talking about heavyweights here don't change the subject.
     
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    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    We're talking about heavyweights here don't deviate from the thread. I take you comment as a sign that you have no argument to support your claim that size matters.
     
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    We're talking about heavyweights not weight classes.
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    Oh boy. Wlad is actually pretty active on the punch stats. You don't know what you are talking about.

    Carnera better than Wlad? 9 out of 10 here, omitting Hero and Dino would disagree.

    Wlad no skills? LOL, he was a pound for pound fighter for a long period of time.

    I agree with you the " champions " which happen to be super heavyweights are not very good. So how come we don't see cruiserweights come up to beat them? Yep. How come the best amateurs in the super heavyweight division are all over 6'5" tall?

    Tyson was actually had some trouble vs super heavies. He got owned by Lewis and lost to Douglas. :deal And if Tucker had not hurt his hand, who knows.

    Tua? He did terrible vs Lewis, and that's the only skilled super heavy he fought. He was down on points vs a then 10-1 Oleg Maskaev until Oleg ran out of gas late in round 10. That's probably the second biggest man Tua fought.
     
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  8. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Yea watch a Wlad fight and get back to me. He literally is the most inactive fighter I have ever seen. Look at the Fury fight.

    The bolded is bs. The cruiserweight division is weak as hell. Wilder is kicking the asses of super heavies not saying he is a cruiserweight but saying he is a lot smaller than guys he is fighting.

    You are actually considering the loss of Tyson to Lewis? Lol why do you get involved in these threads if you aren't going to look at it objectively.

    My only recommendation is for you to watch a Wlad fight. If you still think he is some fast skilled fighter than there is something wrong with you.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    Whenever people are talkng about heavies, whichever attribute their favourite heavy excels in is the one they paint as mattering the most. People dicussing heavies are basically mad for the duration of that conversation. They can't help it. If their fighter is big, size is the most important thing. If their fighter is fast, it's speed, powerful it's power etc.

    I do agree that size is a special obsession. It's the most readily visible attribute after all and so the one that its adherents have the most difficulty imagining being overcome.
     
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    I'm saying that Wilder isn't that good of a heavyweight but yet he is kicking the asses of all of these supposedly superior Super Heavies. Unless you are Mendoza or think that size mostly dictates the outcome (Mendoza) then the comment doesn't apply to you.
     
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  11. foreman&dempsey

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    yes i think you right, it has an explanation, in the past the poster sawg was a rer****ed like you are now so i did think that you were him. was him who said that
     
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  12. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    aka you were making **** up as usual
     
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  13. Foxy 01

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    It isn't rocket science to work out if you have two guys with equal power and talent the one with the big size, weight and reach advantages is more likely to win.

    Or more concisely " a good big un, will always beat a good little un. "
     
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  14. Mr.DagoWop

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    Tyson beat plenty of bigger guys who were longer as well.
     
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  15. Mr.DagoWop

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    Theoretically yes but in reality that is NEVER the case.
     
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