Tony Galento v David Tua 15rds?

Perhaps you should be asking that question!

This is a guy who consistently failed against ranked contenders!

Why couldn’t he get a Nathan Mann on his resume?

Let’s say, a guy who was ranked at the time, who went nowhere?

Beyond him apparently!

 

Give me a stylistic breakdown then!

How would you describe the style of Nathan Mann, and why would Tua beat him?

 

I've only seen his fight against Louis, where he handled himself well, all things considered. Seemed like he had good mobility but he's too small and doesn't have enough power to keep Tua off of him, and he's been stopped by lesser and less powerful men than Tua.

 

Great technical breakdown there Skippy.

 

You can't be serious.

 

Lewis was stopped by less powerful men than Tua...

But that's beside the point. Tua wouldn't be 230-245lbs in the late 1930s. He would be around the 220 mark.

 

Do you really need me to go over some of the differences between Lewis and Nathan Mann for you or are you just trying to be clever?

What does your speculation about what Tua would have weighed 80s years ago have to do with anything?

 

That's why I said "But that's beside the point"... Power obviously isn't everything when it comes to a knockout.

What Tua would weigh back then has everything to do with it. When comparing fighters from different era's you have to take these things into account. Fighters trained down in weight. Tua never trained down in weight. Sure he probably lost a couple of lbs of fat but that isn't training down. Training down is where you get to as low weight as possible while still maintaining power and speed (sometimes increasing it) in order to gain more stamina. When you fight 15-20 rounds every ounce of fat will hinder you.

Tua was so easy to outbox because he never moved. If he actually moved he would have gassed after 6 rounds.

Fighters in the 30s and 40s payed a lot more attention to skill. There's a reason you don't see too many slick heavyweights anymore if at all.

 

We return to judging the timespan as a whole (minus Joe Louis), how good was it?

Again, if we read contemporary sources, it wasn't the first or last time Louis performed worse than was expected. Then it depends how you want to look at it, the glass is half empty or it is half full (ie Louis' opponents were better than they thought, or Louis had off nights).

If you give such abilities a priority over actual classy boxing, fine then.

The disgust wasn't directed at Galento. It was that he was legitimately #1 opponent for Louis. Ie, there was nobody better left in the division for Louis to fight. Galento being 2nd best boxer in the world! They were like WTF is wrong with heavyweight division?!? There's really nobody better than him to choose for Louis, how's this possible?!?

I'd call them ordinary.

 

From that clip, I'd say the black guy looks pretty good. The other guy's just plodding.

 

The fact is, sometimes those qualities win over actual classy boxing. That's just a physical reality.

Yes, I know. But I think the fact that Galento was a fat bartender with no respect for the traditional spartan lifestyle gave the critics their impetus. It's not the first or last time a limited boxer with a mediocre record finds himself the man most worthy on the rankings lists.

Louis had cleaned out the division, hence the low point. The turnover in the heavyweight division is always slow. The rankings turn to sh!t if a champ goes through the contenders too quickly, before and after he's won the title.

The post-war situation was criticized in much the same way. This time caused by most the young men being in the forces, no new contenders were developed.

A veteran journeyman like Jersey Joe Walcott rising to the top was seen as a sad sign.

Fair enough.

 

That is not the point.

You can’t award one fighter a win over another, without them even stepping into the ring.

It is all very well speculating what Tua might have done to Nathan Mann, or what Ibeabuchi might have done to Tony Galento, but we have to work with what these fighters did in the real universe.

 

I mean what anyone who knows boxing means by "never moved".