Jeffries v Rocky's Challengers?

Some corrections of your post.
Johnson named Bob Fitzsimmons as the greatest heavyweight ever.
Langford named Jack Dempsey
and Sam said this about Johnson in1919 in the Sandusky Register
In answer to a reporters question," didn't you say Jeffries would lick Johnson"
Sam answered ."Yes ,yes I did say that ,but I was sore at Johnson then.
You know he gave me quite a licking a long time ago in Boston,and when he got to be champion he would never talk about me again.
I was sore at him ,but all the time way down in my heart,I knew he was a great man.
The day I saw him beat Jeffries made me surer.
Jeffries was in good shape that day.He never could have taken the licking he did if he wasn't in good form.
You know he was just as fast as ever,but he was like a baby when he boxed Johnson.
I tell you that Johnson was so big, so strong ,so clever.
He had everything.He was never hurt,never had a black eye or a cut,and never broke a hand,and he beat the best in the world, I call that considerable doing.
He was never even tired in the fight.
He just fought his own way,went about it in a business like way ,and made the other fellow look foolish.
Hit?Yes sir!I never hit the floor harder in my life than the night he hit me.I thought I'd go right through the floor of the ring."

Sam Langford byClay Moyle page 315.:good


Dempsey did not call Jeffries the greatest he just said "he was great".
Joe Jeannette named Sam Langford.Boxing Illustrated March 1958 and he had Johnson at number 2!.
So of the 7 boxers you named, 4 actually didn't pick Jeffries the remaining three hated Johnson's guts and one of them was Jeffries best friend! Of those 3 ,2 of them Corbett and Sharkey, both said Johnson was the cleverest boxer they ever saw.

That's 4 you got wrong to go with Charley Rose's opinion.
But nice try at slipping these names past us!


Smith's list has Louis at no 3 in March 1936 !I have to say this is BS ,Louis didn't win the title till over a year later!Plus this is before Louis was ko'd by Schmeling!

Bert Sugar has it.
2.Johnson
7.Marciano
0 . Jeffries

Gerald Suster.
2.Johnson.
6.Marciano
0Jeffries

McCallum's opinion of Johnson below.

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As an aside ,in the 60's I picked Dempsey over Marciano ,and I still do.Faster feet, better defence, faster hands, better resistance to cuts. One of my top 5 dream fights.

 

They seem logical qualities to make a pick from, it doesn't mean they are infallible , but when you have two guys reasonably evenly matched physically, as in Jack & Rocky I see no reason to pick against them.
Floyd v Sonny is a different matter Patterson had shaky whiskers and was significantly undersized to Liston so I don't see the correlation.

 

I know what the thread's about,I made it. Marciano was in real danger of being stopped on cuts in 2 fights against Keene Simmons and Ezzard Charles ,Rocky was cut against Louis ,Walcott,Moore,Charles both fights, which fights was Dempsey ever in danger of being stopped for the same reason?
Which fights was he even cut in? Dempsey was noted for his tough skin which he soaked in beef brine

Jeffries face was a mask of blood in the second Fitzsimons fight with cuts above and below both eyes and a broken nose .Hype Igoe, who was ringside said Jeff sustained a worse beating than Willard did at Toledo. I would expect that fight to have been stopped in Fitz's favour in the 50's

Let's examine this stamina of Jeffries.Jeffries went 20rds three times and 25rds once.The first time he was facing another novice like himself Ruhlin, who is the only man of any class who weighed anywhere what Jeffries scaled and that he beat. The other times he was fighting 167lbs Choynski and a 180lbs Sharkey.In the Sharkey fights he fought reactively sitting back and waiting to counter the charging smaller man.
He also went 23rds with the older Corbett. Apart from the first Ruhlin fight he was the significantly bigger man and against 3 of the other 4 opponents he was much the younger man.
Therefore his stamina is flattered in these fights imo.
Because Dempsey did not go 20 rds does not mean he couldn't,though with his power he probably wouldn't have to. A slightly past prime, inactive Dempsey went 15 rounds with Gibbons , pressing the fight , and finished strong, why would another 5 rounds be beyond him?
Jeffries needed those rounds against his better opponents because he used his size,weight, and youth to gradually wear them down. Jeffries against a slightly past prime Charles would tell us a lot about the Californian,the result might enhance his reputation,equally it might detract from it.

 

I have Dempsey's autobiography,both of them actually.Fear of losing his sight does not indicate a cut prone skin which he emphatically did not have. You''re wrong on the Simmons fight. Here is something about it.
"In the second round Simmons slammed two jolting rights to Rocky's head,The skin above Rocky's left eye blew open and began spewing blood Referee Sharkey Buonnano said he could have stopped the fight anytime after the second round.He didn't want to because Rocky was undefeated and a big attraction .he didn't want to stop it unless it was absolutely necessary".
When Rocky returned to his corner after the 7th round a doctor examined the wound and Rocky plead with him not to stop the fight. Marciano came out for the 8th like a wild man and stopped Simmons, but after the fight his cut was stitched and taped and he couldn't spar for several weeks.Dempsey was never in that position.Back to the original subject I feel Jeffries would beat all Marciano's challengers but the Charles of the first Marciano fight would be his biggest danger. Jeffries beats C*ckell ,and Lastarza ,though Roland might hear the final bell.Moore would be competitive all the time his legs held out. The Walcott that had all his ambition punched out of him in the first fight would not give Jeffries much trouble,imo

 

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They are not getting punched in the face whilst they practice their discipline.
Running is not fighting.
For my part I believe a man scaling167lbs as Choynski did against Jeffries219lbs, being leaned on, and wrestled with for 20rds, and getting a draw tells more about the stamina of the smaller man than it does about the 52lbs heavier man. The next days reports of the second Jeffries v Fitzsimmons fight stated Jeffries won because of two factors.
1.He was 12 years the younger man.
2.He was 47lbs the bigger man.