Joe Louis The Greatest in History - Why the lack of respect?

I have a problem with it as it's patently untrue. But that's a discussion for the other thread.

 

Enlighten us , what relevance does this have to how Conn would do against them?

 

Mavrovic was never stopped and Lewis was the only man to beat him ,he was 46lbs heavier than Conn.Your certain that Conn would go the distance with Lewis without being floored?
Ackinwande did not come to fight, was that Lewis's fault? You've picked 6 other names when the designated fighters were well past prime some of the other fights were decidedly pre- prime ,Louis was bang in his prime when Conn took him 13rds.Maybe you don't know the difference ,or what Louis said about his performance,perhaps you're too busy bigging yourself up like some kid?

In their last fight Liston knocked Whitehurst clean out of the ring , he was in the process of climbing back in when the final bell rang.Mr Box Rec.I'm certain your knowledge and understanding of the sport is like your manner,abrasive , facile, and cursory in the extreme.

 

Louis wasn't the hardest puncher. He was top 5 in that area. But he was the greatest puncher of all time.

If we had more complete film archives of guys like Dempsey, Fitz and Langford, that could possibly change. But based on the footage we have available to us, Joe Louis is the greatest puncher to lace em up.

His ability to remain perfectly balanced while throwing bombs is utterly unmatched. His poise and accuracy is ridiculous. His hand speed and smart combinations that adjust to the opponents defense is amazing.

In his rematch with Schmeling, where Louis was his most determined, he had full control of fight against an all time legend Schmeling, and just decimated him instantly.

 

Louis was the most highly skilled hwt champion. Unmatched offense combined with exceptional boxing skill. Punch for punch some punched harder. None punched harder in rapid combination. Both Sharkey and Walcott described Louis as a rhythm type puncher. Walcott stated Marciano punched harder punch for punch while Sharkey stated Dempsey had greater punch for punch power. Fleischer rated Dempsey and Louis as among the hardest punchers ever adding that Dempsey was the harder puncher of the two.

 

I think the reason is quite simple, it has become apparent over the years that a lot of his opposition was subpar during his reign. The best fighters he fought, either beat him, should've beat him, or ran him very close. Generally I like to view ATG fighters and easily see them dispatch or beat most of the great ones they fought. Joe Louis didn't. So that has to be factored in when talking about his greatness and h2h ability. In terms of a champion, he was the best ever, in terms of h2h, not so much

 

Conn was a SMW at best. Don't be ridiculous.

 

It annoys me that Louis fans (meaning the real hardcore can't-say-a-bad-word-about-him brigade) have to claim Louis as not only the greatest HW champion of all time, but also the hardest puncher, the most skilled, the best H2H threat etc. His achievements in his own lifetime were pretty damn special, even if his opposition was often sub par, and he never to my knowledge ducked anyone in that time and more or less beat everyone they put in front of him. He also conducted himself with decorum and was a great role model as befitted the heavyweight champion of the world. Anyone who wishes to criticise him on these grounds has a weak argument IMO.

But in terms of H2H he was clearly outgunned by most every good heavyweight champion of the last fifty years, and his obvious deficiencies in chin, defence and footwork would see him get beaten by them more often than not. I don't see why Louis fans can't accept this. It doesn't diminish the man in any way.

 

Conn was 169lbs. Where did he gain these extra 15lbs from?

 

Excellent post. Spot on.