Pinklon Thomas,Tony Tucker ,&TimWitherspoon In The 1930's?

These three relatively modern heavyweights as they were, transported back to the decade of the 1930's.How would they do against the champs and contenders.?
To refresh your memories:
Champ
1930 Schmeling
1931 Schmeling
1932 Sharkey
1933 Carnera
1934 Baer
1935 Baer
1936-1940 Louis

 

They'd do okay.

 

They'd lose to Louis, but any of them is able to beat any other champion from 30's. However, they need to be in their top shape to outbox 30's best HWs

 

Pinklon Thomas would be about 190 and could be better for it. He drew with Coetzee. Be might draw with Ben Foord.

Tucker would be under 200lb and would be worse for it. He succumbs to everything taller fighters suffered with because the training that,supported tall thin guys had yet to be invented.

Tim Witherspoon would do pretty well if he could stay inspired, he lost to Spoon after a good win in real life so perhaps he's a bit like Jack Sharkey. Great one fight, poor the next?

 

What NEW training did Tucker do to get from 199 pounds to 220?

 

Here we go with fiction reasoning .. Tucker under 200 ? Thomas at 190 ? Come on .. Max Baer ( with thin legs ) was the size of Thomas and smaller than Tucker and he weighted 212 ... little logic there ..

All three would be very competitive in that era .. I'd take Witherspoon over any of them ... Baer would have the best shots against Thomas and Tucker based on size and strength if he was motivated ..

 

It is my opinion that advances in training in the 1980s began to get a lot more potential out of tall heavyweights than ever before. Functional weight was finally achieved. Tailored diet and training programmes began to benefit fighters of different shapes and sizes.

Before tall guys were said to have "out grown their strength" there always was Jack Doyals, Peterfers, Impletaire type guys even in the 1930s. Old methods drained and weakened them. If they didn't keep the weight down they were too slow.

Carnera perhaps an exception of a big man who developed an effective albeit ungainly style.

After about 1985 a bunch of long limbed heavyweights arrived at a decent level all at the same time. Mitch Green, Truth Williams, Jose Ribalta, Tyrell Biggs,Tony Tucker as forerunners to better models like Bowe and Lewis.

The thread says Tucker in the 1930s. So that's him training and eating in the one size fits all traditional boxing training that hurt the lanky guys back then.

 

I'm asking what did Tucker do differently in his training to old school fighters of the 1930s?
You're claiming he trained differently.

I remember the 1980s and the 'old methods' of training were very much dominant. Tucker was trained by old school trainers.
I'm wondering what methods you think they used. I reckon he probably trained the same way the old school fighters did.
He went from 199 pounds at age 21 to about 220 when he was 27.

 

Here is Tucker at 199, his pro debut:

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I'm saying Tony was a product of his environment. And he trained and fought during a different time to the 1930s big guys. Tony was A well schooled amatuer who was part of national tournaments. Certainly had a lot of experience and was a good boxer from the beginning with great fundamentals. Certainly he was a product of this too. He physically matured as a fighter from a kid.

Big guys back in the 1930s were often farm boys, butchers sons raised big but without that decorated background. Most came into the sport later.

More knowledge about training bigger guys was gathered as time went on. Heavyweights began to carry more weight after about 1970 than before. And that's the ones shorter than 6'5"

I think there is less evidence of giant heavyweights in the 1930s having trained as tournament boxers from kids. Old timers have said training whilst growing stunted growth. Many boxers were smaller than non boxing siblings.

Perhaps at the very least diet knowledge on growing athletes became more established for this generation?

 

And your point is that heavyweights stay the same weight from their debut to their prime ? Ali was up over 22 pounds to the 2 year old that beat Liston .. Louis up 12 to 15, Dempsey went from the 170's to 188 in his prime .. Johnson went from the 170's to well over 200 .. your point is flawed.

 

my point is more information had been gathered on getting greater functional weight onto heavyweights and this aided the taller heavyweights in particular by the 1980s.

im not saying their debut weight stood for a career at all.

it's possible in the 1930s the debut weight for all HW boxers started even lower than it might be in the 1980s.

or alternatively, if it was as high as the 1980s debut weight a portion of that weight could be less functional and therefore detrimental in an earlier era.

 

These three relatively modern heavyweights as they were

 

Tim Witherspoon went 15 rounds a couple times in his career and was well accustomed to taking on elite opponents at all stages of his life, weather it be during his prospect phase or even in old age. He also had a style that I think would trouble a very large array of heavyweights. He'd do well just about anywhere you place him I think.. Tony Tucker was a big man with decent mobility and proven durability. But to take a win against an elite fighter he'd have to step up his game and take more chances... Be more agressive.. Or he'd get outpointed every time. Thomas is probably the one I'd have the most doubts about. If he were to visit the 1930's, he'd need to steer clear of any vices which may hinder his ability. Pinklon's prime was very short and spanned through the course of only two years and a few fights. On his best night, he might have beaten someone like Max Baer. But once his best night is over, then what?

 

At some point, it's just not worth it to waste your energy.

We may thing Tucker was a classic, naturally sized superheavy. But no, he would have been melted down to a light heavy in years gone by...