Referee should have thrown towel back and ordered fighters to fight

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  1. stiflers mum

    stiflers mum Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK pretty sure you are trolling but if you aren't it's boxing, fights end in the first round sometimes (especially with Golovkin fights). Part and parcel of boxing you don't want a repeat of Eubank-Watson,Benn-McLellan for example because you want to give value for money to the paying audience.
     
  2. madballster

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    Whoever started this thread, go stand in the corner, shame on you. We have boxers dying every year from the risks in our sport. Brook's corner protected their man when there was NO WAY he would win anymore.
     
  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I care about Brook's long term health, I don't like seeing boxers take unnecessary punishment. But in my opinion the stoppage deserves to be criticized. Brook was in trouble, but it wasn't over yet. I am very critical of Brook's corner. They should have provided Brook an ice pack or an enswell to his eye in between rounds, if that had done so Brook may not have been stopped. If he had a better corner, they may have been able to manage the situation better and have Kell not be as distracted by the eye.

    How many times we've seen fighters suffer way worse swelling around the eye, and continue. I mean Sugar Ray Leonard had to go 15 rounds with Tommy Hearns with both eyes swollen so bad that he could barely see. In Rocky the famous "Cut me Mick". I mean this was nothing compared to some of the eye swelling we've seen, and his trainer just throws in the towel like that. Sugar Ray Leonard went through all that, suffered a detached retina, came back, beat Marvin Hagler, and now in 2016 he still has his faculties and speaks eloquently and is featured very prominently.

    As much as a I care about boxer's well being, it's a bad stoppage. I can't call Kell Brook a warrior, as much as I want to because I respect him, as much as I say he's got respect for taking this fight, he was robbed of achieving warrior status because his trainer threw in the towel like that.
     
  4. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    Brook had eye problems, was gassed out and was out on his feet while his opponent was unloading with both hands. If you're his trainer would you let your boy take more punishment, in a fight that is lost with a 99.99% probability? That would be reckless.

    Winning or losing this fight wasn't as relevant for Brook. Brook getting permanent damage would be a trauma he couldn't recover from. Lets face it: Brook made a solid payday, got a lot of respect and lives to fight another day with his image intact. No shame in losing to Golovkin.
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There's no shame in losing to Golovkin, but there is shame in throwing in the towel. Throwing in the towel is the saddest way to lose, especially for an undefeated fighter to lose. There is shame in having a towel thrown in like that when a fighter was not really stopped.

    This isn't ballet dancing. I'm all for protecting the well being of a fighter, but this is ridiculous. We've seen fighters suffer much, much much worse facial damage and swelling, and finish a fight.

    This sucks for Kell. It's not a good look to have a towel thrown in on you like that. I like Kell Brook as a fighter, I was rooting for him. I'm gutted for him to have to lose like that, with a towel thrown in. I understand why it was done, to protect Brook but sorry I can't sit here as a boxing fan and say it was a good stoppage. It wasn't.

    What if Sugar Ray Leonard after the 13th round said to his trainer, "my eyes hurts, I can't see, stop the fight". Then he never would have stopped Hearns in the 14th. I'm sorry but I can't compare the guts of Kell Brook to the legends of the past to someone like Sugar Ray Leonard who fought through much greater adversity.

    Look at David Diaz's eye after going 12 rounds with Erik Morales. What if David Diaz when his eye started to swell said to his corner, "my eye hurts, throw in the towel"?
     
  6. madballster

    madballster Loyal Member Full Member

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    What if Magomed Abdusalamov had said his head hurts in the 5th and then quit on his stool? You would have called him a coward, said its stopped too soon?
     
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  7. RacingBeat

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    Are you really using Rocky Balboa as an example to support your argument? Lol
     
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  8. rhin0z>

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    :qmeparto:cut me mick cut me.
     
  9. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Read above.
     
  10. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    If you seeing quadruple against GGG that is 12G's!
     
  11. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually Kell Brook himself used a Rocky quote after the fight, so it is more than appropriate. When he was complaining about blurry / double triple vision, he then said "I was seeing 5 of them out there", Kell said "they say 'hit the one in the middle'". That was from Rocky, so it's very appropriate, and why I used "Cut me Mick" as an example.
     
  12. shadow111

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    Kell Brook after the fight was asked if he was happy with the stoppage, and he made it clear that he wasn't happy with the stoppage and wanted to continue.

    We've seen fighters fight through much greater swelling, and the fight continues. I don't want to see any boxer suffer permanent damage, but I was disapointed in how the bout was stopped. As I've explained, the corner didn't seem to do anything to put an icepack or an enswell on the eye. The trainer Dominick Ingle's voice was apparantly completely shot and couldn't even communicate with his fighter.

    To make a long story short, I was very disapointed in Kell Brook's corner, with the way they handled everything. Kell was clearly bothered by the eye, but it is unclear how serious the injury was. I'm not calling Kell Brook a coward, but at the same time I can't sit here and call him a warrior for fighting through the pain when he wasn't really given the opporunity to fight on until the fight ended on its own. It was a disapointing stoppage.
     
  13. GreenMan93

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    The OP is a moron. Haha he must be trolling to say something like that. Besides I'm sure if Golovkin saw the towel and the referee didn't order him to stop than I'm sure GGG would stop hitting Brook.
     
  14. GreenMan93

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    Why can't you call Kell Brook a warrior? Like you said, it was his corner that stopped the fight not Kell Brook who quit. You seem to not be able to comprehend that even though you've said it about 10 times. Even if Kell Brook wants to continue, after his corner stops the fight, he is not allowed to no matter how bad he wants to keep fighting.
     
  15. shadow111

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    I get all that, but Kell Brook complaining about his eye throughout the fight isn't the behavior of a warrior. The fact is that there didn't appear to be much swelling. It's quite possible that it was a very serious eye injury, but it didn't look that serious during the fight. A warrior doesn't go back to his corner after the first round and complain about his eye hurting.

    A warrior sucks it up and keeps on fighting, acts like everything is fine and fights until the end. Probably because Kell was complaining about the eye to his corner early on, because he was pawing at the eye throughout the fight, that's why Ingle ended up throwing in the towel at the first sign of him taking major damage.

    I can't know for sure how serious the eye injury actually was, I'm guessing it was, but it certainly didn't have the look of something seriously swollen like we've seen in the past, to which we've called the fighter a warrior.

    David Diaz vs Erik Morales, that was a much worse "looking" eye injury and he went 12 rounds. That was warrior-esque. Fair or unfair, legit or not, the way Kell carried himself carrying on / complaining about the eye, then having the fight stopped by his trainer prematurely (presumably due to his complaining about the injury throughout the fight) is not warrior-esque.