Stanley "The Michigan Assasin" Ketchel vs. Gennady "GGG" Golovkin

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  1. reznick

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  2. Eastpaw

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    Golovkin easily. Stanley's old technique would be too easy for golovkin to smash through
     
  3. Mendoza

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    GGG inside 4 rounds.
     
  4. McGrain

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    As you can see from the above, this question is more about what you think of the progress of boxing technique than the qualities of the individual fighters. Some of these predictions are ruleset dependent though. Ketchel probably won't get stopped early under the Ketchel's ruleset. Under modern rulesets they are more likely.

    Comparing them for attributes, I might go for Golovkin for power on delivery. As far as durability goes, Ketchel is by far the more proven, and Golovkin will never have the opportunity to prove himself Ketchel's equal in this deparment. Ketchel also gets the nod in stamina. Very clearly, Golovkin has better technique on punches.

    My own pick is Golovkin because I think that boxing has changed for the better. It's become more professional. But if we are matching Golovkin born in 1885 against Ketchel that's a far, far more difficult question and one we don't have an answer for yet and may never have an answer for. Era-on-era comparisons show Ketchel the more proven because he had more opportunity to prove himself.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Has Golovkin beaten anyone as good as Billy Papke?
     
  6. McGrain

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    Again, it depends upon what you decide about boxing technique through the ages and what ruleset you inflict upon them. I love Papke, but i'd pick Brook to beat him over 12 rounds under modern rules. Over 25 rounds, presumably he'd get done, but it's impossible to say that for sure.

    He's certainly never beaten anyone as great, as storied as Papke and era-on-era comparisons reveal that Papke is by far the more storied fighter who has achieved far more.
     
  7. mrkoolkevin

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    Golovkin by early ko after a few rounds of target practice.
     
  8. reznick

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    I feel like Ketchel has a serious disadvantage here by only having two fight films available. One against an all time legend HW, and the other against a smothering Papke who's main goal seems to be preventing Ketchel from throwing punches at range.

    I'm hoping some people who have a broader understanding of Ketchels fighting ability could chime in.
     
  9. mcvey

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    I agree, imo boxing moved on after the early 1900's.There were exceptions,Johnson, Gans,Walcott, but Ketchel does look crude with a swing for the fences style .As you say, it really depends on what the rules and rounds are.
     
  10. mcvey

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    QUOTE="Mendoza, post: 18165036, member: 19227"]GGG inside 4 rounds.[/QUOTE]
    Ridiculous, but predictable.20 fight Monroe goes 6rds but Ketchel goes out in 4. Murray goes into the 11th,Adama went into the 7th .Ketchel was stopped twice in 60 fights, once by the heavyweight champion.
    Cretinous post!
     
  11. Mr.DagoWop

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    All these people who say that boxing technique has evolved don't really know what they're talking about honestly. If they were referring to technique used in the late 1880s to early 1890s I would agree but not the early 20th century. Duran was the last fighter who could actually fight on the inside like the old fighters from the 1900s era.

    That being said Ketchel is far more proven that Golovkin and I can guarantee you that if Golovkin went through Ketchel's resume he would come out with a few L's and at least 1 knockout loss.
     
  12. reznick

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    Are there any other filmed Ketchel fights known to exist besides Papke IV and Johnson?
     
  13. Seamus

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    If we are to base on the footage available, GGG eats him alive.
     
  14. reznick

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    How come?
     
  15. Seamus

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    Because GGG is better at boxing.