Where would you rank Roman Gonzalez on an ATG list?

I disagree with McGrain's rankings on a quite a few placings but it's the best list out there and largely agreeable.
Right now I have Roman Gonzalez around 85-90th in the rankings. (If he retires and some of his opposition prove successful, he rises more).
Roman's 4 weight class rise is more impressive than Mayweather's 5 weight class rise, given Roman is an aggressive fighter.

W Inoue
W Estrada 2 (Estrada vacated and is moving up to 115)
W Cuadras 2
W Concepcion
W Sor Rungvisai

That would be one hell of a run. Inoue is 23 years old, has been in 6 title fights and his style made him transition to 12 rounds easily, he's certainly ready for Gonzalez. Maybe he should fight Concepcion next, then he'll definitely be ready.

- EDIT: None of this happened lol.

 

You rank these guys higher than Pac, Canello, Marquez, Cotto, and Hernandez?

 

I'm not trying to say Roman is greater than Mayweather.
Regardless, the Estrada that Roman fought is certainly better than anyone Mayweather fought (in the condition he fought them). If you want to see more on their condition, refer to this thread: http://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/floyd-mayweather-never-dared-to-be-great.568952/

Inoue and Estrada for sure are better than every name you listed (in the condition that Mayweather fought them). Although I believe Estrada is starting to slip, his performances since KO'ing Segura hasn't been as impressive.

 

I wouldn't put Roman Gonzalez on any all-time great list. And I wouldn't put anyone he's faced on any all-time great list.

Of all the boxers who have ever walked the face of the earth and fought in the ring against other legit all-time great fighters, I don't think Gonzalez is one of the best out of all of them.

For the life of me, I don't see what some of you see.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...CF61A32B3D4AD1F0E0A6CF61A32B3D4AD1F&FORM=VIRE

Michael Carbajal beat a better fighter in his pro debut than 90 percent of Gonzalez's opponents. A young Jeff Fenech would've broken him in half at Gonzalez's current weight. And I wouldn't rate Carbajal or Fenech among the top ATG fighters ever, either.

I just don't see it.

 

I think he's closer to top 50 for what it's worth (I think of Oscar De La Hoya when I think of someone who's barely top 50). I don't think he's near Pac or Mayweather.

 

I just got here. Why does Mayweather keep coming up?

 

The thread opened with two or three people claiming he's about to pass Mayweather, pretty much par for the course around here.

 

I mentioned Mayweather Jr. first, the reason being that the "top 100 all time list" hurts my brain !

It's a lot to take in, and placing a current fighter like Gonzalez within a list like that is difficult in the extreme, and frankly beyond me.

It's easier to compare him with a more recent measuring stick of greatness.
Mayweather Jr. is such a yardstick, someone we're familiar with, and perhaps rightly considered the best of the era just passed.
Gonzalez has a similar number of fights and a similar record (undefeated), so the computing becomes much easier on my brain.

I think he's closing in on Floyd Mayweather's current "all time" position, wherever that is, opinions will vary. But whether he'll get ahead of him, or even equal to him, in my estimation, I don't know.

 

If you establish a rep as a ATG fighter by winning big fights and titles in several weight classes, does it automatically follow that when its comes to lists ranking ATG's in those individual weight classes that your titles were won, that you will ranked near the top of those as well?

 

I don't think it does.

Nor do I think winning titles in several weight classes makes you better "pound for pound" than staying in one weight class.

 

I think it can ad a lot of value to a fighter's resume, but it also depends on HOW he does it. If he jumps weight and wins a plastic belt against the weakest title holder of that class or worse yet, takes that title in vacant fashion against a weak opponent, then it diminishes the accomplishment. For example, Roy Jones beating John Ruiz isn't that big of a deal to me. That doesn't mean its meaningless but also not a colossal achievement either. On the other hand, Floyd moving up to Jr. Middle to beat Saul Alvarez boosts his legacy in my eyes. Canelo was holding two titles.. Coming off a win over another highly touted young talent.. Was undefeated in 43 fights and was some 12 years or so younger than Mayweather. And Alvarez has also proven successful since that loss.. Some of the fights Thomas Hearns won while ascending to higher classes also added substance to his resume.

 

To be fair to Roy Jones Jr. he went up from 175 and beat a ranked heavyweight, whether or not the title was bogus and allowing for the fact that Ruiz was kind of mediocre he was still a ranked heavyweight.
On top of that, and most importantly for me if we're talking true "pound for pound", Jones Jr. weighed in at 193, Ruiz weighed 226 I believe.

Mayweather hardly moved up at all to face Alvarez. Welter to light-middle is only 7 pounds, and the contract made the fight at 152, so that's a 5 pound jump. Light-middle is historically a minor division anyway.

I agree that Alvarez is a good fighter and that should be the most important thing. Whether there was an extra title at stake or whether or not he was bigger or smaller, it's the fact that he's a good fighter that boosts the legacy.

 

Fair enough.

 

I think Mayweather keeps coming up because Mayweather is the latest attainable Great (Pac isn't as he's Top 15 of all time in terms of legacy etc.), Mayweather is similar in the sense that he is 49-0, Roman = 46-0, Mayweather 5 weight classes, Roman 4 weight classes. Mayweather's opposition in the condition he fought them in were mediocre, this further narrows the gap, especially as Roman has the single biggest win on a H2H basis than anyone on both of their resumes - Juan Francisco Estrada, and Roman is going for another run. This is bringing the two closer.

 

Most of Mayweather's best opponents were fine in the condition he fought them in. Not sure why you think they were mediocre. And there are about 4 or 5 guys who Floyd beat who all rate higher than Estrada.