Joe Louis vs. Joe Frazier

I believe Joe Frazier would win by stoppage probably mid to late rounds. Joe Louis was the Greater Heavyweight. He held the title for 12 years and 25 defenses. No dispute there. I think Frazier has the style to get in under Louis`s jab and take away his leverage. Frazier was also a pretty quick, sharp puncher himself, nothing crude about Smokin Joe. Ofcourse I would never count out the Brown Bomber.

 

Is this a joke?

 

Galento hit hard too.
I believe Galento took a punch better than Frazier did too.
Of course Frazier was better than Galento.
Frazier was also better than Gregorio Peralta and Faustino Luis Pires but they both lasted longer against Foreman, so was that a comedy too?
How long does PRIME Frazier last against Foreman then? Longer than 3?

Styles make fights.

 

Foreman credited Joe Louis with actually giving him the advice on how to defeat Frazier, but we can take that with a pinch of salt.

Joe Louis's skillset is being underrated here maybe.
He could do exactly what Foreman did, more or less. Maybe not manhandle Frazier the same, but he'd measure him for the deadly uppercuts in no time. Joe Louis had decent reach advantage and coud throw his punches long, straight and accurate.

As far as I remember, Walcott put Louis down with right hands, not left hooks.
Galento and Buddy Baer did. Both of them were heavy, heavy-handed and bulky punchers.
I certainly wouldn't argue that Frazier couldn't floor Louis but there's no guarantee that he would, even when he lands the left hook.

Frazier's given too much chance here in this match-up, I believe, and gets the short end when people match him against Tyson? But that's an incorrect an*lysis of the styles, imo.
Frazier would soon be target practice for a boxer-puncher like Louis, whereas he'd be in the trenches and equal with a short-arms hooking fighter like Tyson.
That's just the way I see it.

 

Styles make fights.

Godoy just "spoiled" his way to a decision loss. It was messy. I don't think the vote for Godoy was reasonable.
Buddy Baer was 6'6 and dropped Louis early before being absolutely battered.
Abe Simon was 6'4 and 255 pounds and soaked up a lot of punishment. People marvelled at the punishment he took.
Galento was even more durable, 233 pounds, almost too stupid to register the punches, but he was battered to pieces inside 4 rounds.

Ability isn't the way to evaluate these match ups. Trevor Berbick and Michael Spinks were probably "better fighters" than Jose Ribalta and James Tillis at the time they all fought Tyson, for an example, but they didn't last half as long.
Chuvalo went 15 rounds with Muhammad Ali but that doesn't make him better than Foreman, who managed just under 8 rounds. This is too basic and a waste of time to even go into because I know you know your boxing.

 

I think big part of Foreman's ability to manhandle Frazier was based on his superior size and strength. I am also in the group which believes that the Frazier Foreman faced was already much diminished. However, this point has been discussed Ad nauseam.

I also appreciate the fact that Unforgiven pointed out that this was his opinion, as opposed to the practice of some to act as if their opinion in these matters of speculation is Gospel and anyone who would disagree with them is a fool. Anyone seen Perry lately?

 

Joe Louis knocked Max Baer out in 4 rounds and Max Schmeling out in 1 round.
He knocked John Henry Lewis and Tami Mauriello out in 1 round apiece.

Baer and Schmeling were two of the elite of the era. JH Lewis was an elite light-heavy ATG who had never been stopped, and Mauriello was rated a a decent #1 contender and had never been stopped.

I don't think it's an insult to say Frazier - due to styles - would be dispatched within 3 rounds.

I've seen plenty people arguing Tyson would destroy Frazier in 1 or 2 rounds !
Then again, some of them think Tyson does the same to Louis too, so go figure.

 

I reckon Tyson has the better chance of wiping Frazier out early than Louis would.

Louis wouldn't be able to manhandle Frazier so easily and get him in position to land those uppercuts, neither would he shrug off Joe's left hook like Foreman did.

 

I dunno, I think Liston, Louis and Foreman are the three HWs who'd wipe out Frazier easiest. Bombers with good heavy measuring jabs.
Lennox Lewis has the tools but he would be overly cautious against the short swarming style.

Frazier against his fellow 'short' 'swarmers' ... ie. Tyson, Marciano, Tua .... he'd be in his element and stand a great chance of winning because he's never going to be left out on the edge a sitting duck. He's going to be in there close enough to get multiple hooks in.

 

We concur that Louis would win. I'm not convinced that its an easy night's work.

 

I think it would be short. I'm not convinced it would be easy either.

 

Took a punch better? That's is highly debatable considering how many people stopped Frazier and who they were. Galento was also easier. So it's a false distinction to try and extrapolate the punishment each would take, but Frazier would take significantly less imo. I under that correlation you tried to make, but I don't think it applies here. The most comparable foe Louis fought that had a style like Frazier was Godoy. Obviously they were the same specimen or even have the same attributes, but their style was at least somewhat similar. Louis struggled with that crouching style. So when you say styles make fights, what about Louis fights and style make you believe this ends before 3 against Frazier. Who was on Frazier resume with a style like Louis... nobody really.. maybe Quarry.. maybe Foster. Neither of those guys had much success at all. So I'm a little unclear on this Louis has the "style" to beat Frazier in under 3. Elaborate on this please

 

lol!

 

Joe Frazier did indeed meet better fighters and have the best single win of the two, but a fighter who meets 30+ ranked contenders is still going to have more shaky moments than one who fights 6+.

It also has to be noted that Joe Frazier had a few shaky moments of his own, but that they are not focused on in the same way as Louis's.

Louis is the only fighter I can think of where an opponent who was destroyed in a couple of rounds, could be deemed to have been successful against him!

 

I am not talking about Foreman here!