Why does size matter?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mr.DagoWop, Aug 25, 2016.


  1. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,563
    Jan 30, 2014
    How much do you weight? How many people have you knocked down at your gym?
     
  2. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

    5,292
    975
    Nov 7, 2011

    I commend your efforts in deciphering this!
     
  3. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,626
    Mar 17, 2010
    Yeah good point.
    I think overall style plays the bigger role. For instance, the difference between Rocky and Wlad is 8 inches? There is more range on the stylistic side, than there is on the height side.

    But you're right, with an 8 inch difference, you would think some refinements will have to be made.
     
  4. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,626
    Mar 17, 2010
    Not even sure. I think I'm like 165lb, and I have room for growth. Compared to what I know boxers have to be, I'm not in great shape yet.

    I haven't sparred at this gym yet. Nobody has asked me to spar, and I think my coach doesn't want to rush it, he wants to develop me the right way I guess. I'm excited to though, and also kind of scared, because I honestly don't know what will happen if I hit someone with my straight right. Or maybe I underestimate the other guy? But when I hit the bag next to everyone I feel super confident. We will see...
     
  5. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

    8,129
    1,762
    Jul 1, 2015
    There you go again. Trying to put words in my mouth and change my question because you know you can't successfully argue your point with my original question. I specifically said that size matters when all things being equal which means speed, skill, strength, power, etc.

    My original question (the only question that should be being discussed) is why does size matter? Pertaining to the fighters/fights we talk about. I am NOT concerned with any fantasy "well if these two guys were exactly the same except 1 guy weighed more". No. Forget about that. I am talking REALISTIC MATCH UPS. If you still don't know what that means by now I mean fights like Lennox Lewis vs Muhammad Ali for example (that doesn't mean start debating that fight matter of fact forget I even use those names).

    For the umpteenth time STOP trying to misrepresent my question, argument, and anything else I have said.
     
  6. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

    22,077
    16,721
    Jun 4, 2009
    no offense, you sound like you are dreaming a bit or more.
     
  7. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

    5,292
    975
    Nov 7, 2011

    No one understands what you think you are getting on about. Oh you wanted REALISTIC MATCH UPS which require a time machine. Gotcha!
    Perhaps being misunderstood is just part of the price of your genius? Maybe if you weren't a condasceding jerk in the future it may help! Those of us who are less keen would appreciate your benevolent kindness.

    To the extent that size is legitimately overvalued it may be due to it being one of the few objective criteria available in rendering largely subjective judgments.
     
  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

    18,440
    9,563
    Jan 30, 2014
    What have I misrepresented? Doesn't matter. Your question has been asked and answered many times throughout this thread. Size can matter because bigger men are stronger, can take more punishment, generally hit harder punch for punch, can better wear their opponents down by clenching and holding, and can often take advantage of height and reach disparities to punch their smaller opponents before they are within their opponents' striking range. These are the reasons why size matters in boxing, for men who weigh 100 lbs and for men who weigh 200lbs. This is not to say that the bigger man will always win, but it's pretty obvious why size presents a number of advantages in boxing. So for example, even though Holyfield, an absolute physical specimen at 210lbs, was far more skilled, fluid and athletic than Riddick Bowe, he still lost to him twice. And this is a worse example but you can also look at how the athletic Bryant Jennings (who btw would have been a physical marvel in past eras) , who you praised in one of these threads, got clobbered by a flabby 240-lb Ortiz.
     
    Last edited: Sep 27, 2016
    Nighttrain and Absolutely! like this.
  9. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

    5,292
    975
    Nov 7, 2011

    How tall are you you?
     
  10. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

    5,292
    975
    Nov 7, 2011

    I am always impressed by the lanky bean pole punchers like Hearns, Foster and Saddler. There is something unnerving about those guys!
     
  11. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,626
    Mar 17, 2010
    6'0, maybe 6'1.
     
  12. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,626
    Mar 17, 2010
    I'm self aware enough to know how it sounds.
     
  13. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

    22,077
    16,721
    Jun 4, 2009
    knowing you sound stupid is half the battle. Now you just have to stop talking about it unless you can produce video footage of you knocking out a decent super heavy.
     
  14. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

    5,292
    975
    Nov 7, 2011
    LOL Just think you could get down to at least light welterweight for the weigh in!!!
     
  15. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

    15,903
    7,626
    Mar 17, 2010
    The thing about that, is I don't have to do ****, because your word has no pull. lol
     
    Nighttrain likes this.