Was Johnson Close to Defeat in the Flynn Rematch ...

Yeah, I dont know what Im looking while Im arguing with some dip**** who thinks Flynn was somehow on the verge of winning this fight...

Kr apper 2 I never chimed in on who was winning, or losing, you must be mistaken for the hundredth time. Hiding under different alts and still showing your stoooopitidy lol


Sorry but Im not going to let a pathetic twat like you interjecting himself here divert my attention away from the main point of this thread which was the absolutely ridiculous notion put forward by someone who fancies himself a historian that Flynn was somehow in this fight at any point in time.

In your twisted mean spirited remarks you have misread what I said, LET US SEE FOR OURSELVES. I know you like to read into what is said and not what was actually written.
Have you taken your med's lately?


And now that same dumbass "historian" wants to argue that Johnson somehow didnt win the fight... And I dont know what Im looking at...

Psst 'er sorry to say you dont know what you are looking cos you dksab. You claim you are a historian you are not, you are more like a pysstorian. You pyss on everybodies elses parade. You dont see other historians coming on here hiding under many alts and putting people down and name calling as you do. You give real historians a bad name.

 

Specifically because what I have ISNT on youtube. So you can pretend you can watch what I have on youtube but you cant. Period.

Kr apper too, You mean ALL of your 3k collection and only you have those. Sorry to burst your 3k balloon, but Youtube which is available for everyone to see, has a host of the greatest fights ever I am sure that somewhere hidden in your 3k collection are available on youtube. BTW Dempsey didnt fight Greb, the reason cos he was a MW, your factoid that Kearns killed the Dempsey - Greb match cos of his stalling was as laughable as your Archer cartel conspiracy.

 

In my book, In the Ring With Jack Johnson - Part II: The Reign, as usual, I include multiple different perspectives. As usual with a Johnson fight, there were many different perspectives. This is what I wrote on pages 627-628:

The sportswriters put forth two extreme views about this fight. Some argued that Johnson was dominating every round, toying with Flynn, could have put him out at any time, and was breaking him down gradually. A frustrated and bloody Flynn foresaw a bad ending for himself, so he fouled to get himself disqualified.

Another view was that although Johnson was outpointing him, he was tiring from Flynn’s relentless attack, throwing less punches, and holding more as the fight progressed. Had the bout continued and Flynn not lost his head, he had a chance to wear down Johnson eventually, for Jack was not in his best condition, while Flynn was strong and active throughout and in excellent, superior shape.

The truth probably lies between the press’ two extremes. Johnson used the style he typically used, and he used it from the start. He clinched early and often, played defense, allowed Flynn to work, and carefully chose when to punch, usually landing. He was not punching very hard or often, and though he might have been marking-up Flynn, Jim never once was hurt. Flynn was an absolutely relentless ferocious ball of energy, firing away on a consistent basis, moving in quickly, and constantly trying to work his hands free to punch. He obviously was very frustrated by Johnson’s defensive tactics and holding, feeling that he could not land effective blows. He totally lost his composure and fouled flagrantly and often. It appeared that both men could have continued fighting in the same manner for many more rounds. At the time the bout was stopped, it was not clear how the 45-round bout would have ended had it been allowed to continue.

 

Hey, I offered to send your list to a poster here we both agree on as long as you send the same to see if there's a match. No reply here tells me everything I need to know.

Maybe if you cooled your head for a moment you'd realise that quite a few people have your boxing lists, and some of them might know me or share it with me. It has your name on it, with lots of details...

In terms of being a di@k, you're in a class all by yourself. This is why despite being knowledgeable you have been kicked off boards.

As for Johnson being in the lead, no one disputes that. The issues, which you refuse to explore is several at ringside felt Johnson was losing steam, and Flynn was the fresher of the 2 with 30+ rounds to go! Johnson was older and not in his best shape. FACTS

To illustrate my point, Wlad owned Purity for 9 rounds, then he tired and lost. Had the fight been stopped in round nine, he wins. Those at ringside could see he was slowing down, just like those at ringside in Flynn vs Johnson saw the same.

Johnson, when matched vs game men with stamina, didn't exactly shine vs Hart or Willard did he? No, and the press says he was tired at the end of the match with Jim Battling Johnson at the end of just 10 rounds!

 

Thank you. Bravo. Objective and balanced but some people here won't accept the other side of the coin. Mcvey would never type that in even though he loves your book. # Agenda!

The fact that Johnson complained to the ref a few times, and as you said holding more as the fight progressed tells me 10-30 more rounds from Johnson in the our door desert heat of July would have been telling. Johnson did not hurt Flynn or even floor him. He wasn't a KO artists.

 

Ah the difference tween a real historian and a pysstorian like kr apper too, thank you Senya and Adam

 

Hey, this is also from Adam's book, so how come you didn't post it. You're clearly an agenda minded person:

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I find it funny how Mcvey ran away from a thread he was so active in. He can't deny the truth here. Posters should be careful when he selectively quotes anything. He'll omit details unporupose. This has been proven before.

Now, he just might show up and go off tangent, play a baseless race card or start cursing has he has nothing left. We'll see if I'm correct.


"Another view was that although Johnson was outpointing him, he was tiring from Flynn’s relentless attack, throwing less punches, and holding more as the fight progressed. Had the bout continued and Flynn not lost his head, he had a chance to wear down Johnson eventually, for Jack was not in his best condition, while Flynn was strong and active throughout and in excellent, superior shape. " - Adam Pollack.

 

You do realise that Adam isn't saying that's what happened. He's saying that's one of the "extreme views" put forward by some sportswriters, the other being that Johnson dominated every round and could have ended the fight whenever he chose.

 

Many at ringside sportswriters felt Johnson was trying / fading and Flynn was the fresher of the two, in better shape.

No one says Johnson wasn't in the lead, but the lead in a 45 round fight with 30+ rounds to go who was in the lead doesn't mean much.

What Adam is doing is letting the reader decide for himself. At the time of the DQ, it's unclear who would have won. But there were tell-tale signs, that Johnson was clinching a lot more instead of fighting, and throwing less. And he was complaining to the ref, which could have been a first.

With Johnson size, and footspeed edge, he would not have to take fouls, yet he slowed down and clinched a lot, which could very well mean he was tired.

 

I've never run from an argument, I've been in Kracow for a short break with my partner and friends, No internet in the hotel.

UNPORUPOSE!!! THATS A NEW VARIATION!!!LOL

 

They why did you purposely omit the other side of the story in this thread? LOL. You comment on other threads for the past days, but not this one until called out twice.

 

No he doesn't realize, he's way too thick for that!