Why does size matter?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mr.DagoWop, Aug 25, 2016.


  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    That's a very fanciful and self-serving interpretation. An old, arm-punching Vitali stopped him, Stiverne and Wilder stopped him. And while I have no doubt that Murat hits like a mule kicks, did he in fact stop him?

    If Murat were able to apply his fantastic power to superheavies wouldn't he make a lot more money doing so?
     
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  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    A myriad of reasons.

    Well, for one, everything has it's time. His ability to KO supers, shouldn't produce the expectation that he should be presently doing so. Gennady has for sure KO'd cruisers, but he hasn't left MW yet, because his job there isn't quite finished.

    Also, for all we know, Gassiev may just feel very comfortable at his weight. He's young. Deviating from his natural weight too soon sounds rushed. Perhaps after he's had some depth of experience, he can venture beyond his natural weight.

    Just because he can KO supers, doesn't mean fighting them is the best route. His chances of success won't be the same. How exactly would losing fights, and prematurely getting into the most dangerous wars, help him make more money?
     
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  3. reznick

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    "In sparring, by far, hands down, Murat [hits the hardest]."
    - Arreola

    I think that's almost better than being the hardest he's faced in a fight. Assuming, like many, that he's sparred more people than he fought.

    It's cool to see him oozing with passion when talking about Gassievs power. You can tell he was impressed.
     
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  4. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    this is the type of thing you write when you know you've written something that is fail, and can no longer defend it.

    same old.

    dont run away like a cowardzaghe. try answering.
     
  5. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    There is a lot more to a knockout than punching power. I figured that would be self evident by now.
     
  6. Absolutely!

    Absolutely! Fabulous, darling! Full Member

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    When did I say a big guy can't take a punch FFS? I've consistently argued the complete opposite. The bigger you are the more likely you are to take a shot better. Read that sentence again before you misrepresent what I'm saying here. More likely, as in a higher probability. No absolutes there.

    And Marciano was crude, sluggish, and bled like a stuck pig. Both men fought in perceived weak eras, and both men dominated those eras using the attributes at their disposal. If one's an ATG then so is the other by those same criteria.

    Let him fight a welterweight then and see how the welterweight does.

    McCall, Tua, Wach, Mercer, Vitali, Mavrovic. Add in old Foreman if you like.

    Marciano and Dempsey aren't close to that level of durability.
     
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  7. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    the argument you ran away from in the previous posts.

    why you pretending you dont know what it was? people can still read it, you arent saving face by this pretence.
     
  8. mostobviousalt

    mostobviousalt Active Member banned Full Member

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    Any way, if he can still feel it then clearly he hasn't been punched that hard.
     
  9. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Marciano didn't get ktfo like Wlad did...TWICE! and it would have been 3 had his trainer not stepped in.
     
  10. reznick

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    You know you can feel punches that don't KO or stun you, right? You can get a sense of power by putting your guard up, and letting someone punch your gloves. You can sense power just taking a jab to the body. After being in a ring with a guy for several rounds, generally you're be able to size em up as a puncher.
     
  11. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Did you say something about his Mother?
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Might some of this "a lot more" have to do with strength, length and weight?
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Marciano never stepped into the ring with fighters of the combination of both the quality and size of Sanders and Brewster.
     
  14. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Are you suggesting that weight x velocity = force?!
     
  15. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Never mind that Wlad never stepped into the ring who didn't outweigh Marciano by more than 20lbs.