Attention Sugar Ray Leonard fans. Did you know this?

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  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    I highly recommend Sugar Ray's interview with Joe Buck.


    https://www.directv.com/tv/Undeniable-with-Joe-Buck-c3R2NFFoMjlKL0NGby9GckxSaXJvUT09


    You'll learn about the man in and out of the ring, and a seldom mentioned secret going into the Hagler fight.

    To spill the beans, Leonard noticed Hagler was slow, and being outboxed by John Mugabi, who was no boxer! He brought in middle weights to spar with, and put on the larger gloves. The initial plan was to attack Hagler, but during the sparring, Leonard tells the audience he was nearly knocked out cold. Suddenly going toe to toe with Hagler was not such a good idea. In fact, it's how he lost the Duran fight!

    So Sugar Ray changed up his tactics and decided to box and move. What is well known is Sugar Ray had a corner man yell out 30 seconds before the each round ended, and he used his flashy combinations to steal rounds.

    Leonard's win over Hagler is perhaps the greatest thing a welterweight moving up has ever done.

    I also think Leonard absolute nails the psychology of a boxer, in particular mentioning there's often a moment in a fight where a decision is made to soar or slump. It's the stuff the best champions when tested are made of.
     
  2. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Leonard's win over Hagler is perhaps the greatest thing a welterweight moving up has ever done."

    Carmen Basilio beat SRRobinson in a true war over 15 rounds, give no quarter fight, should not be overlooked either.
     
  3. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Robinson moving up and avenging his loss against Jake Lamotta 3 weeks earlier after beating a top contender the prior week is pretty impressive.
     
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  4. Jay1990

    Jay1990 Active Member Full Member

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    Sugar Ray Leonard was awesome... He just had this "I ain't goin out like that attitude"
     
  5. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    It's not overlooked. Basiilio wasn't Hagler though.
     
  6. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Maybe we should say that Robinson was no Hagler; he was better. That makes Basillio's win even more impressive.
     
  7. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    Robinson was much better at welter. By the time he lost to Bassillo, Robinson was 36 years old. He had also been beaten by Fullmer, Jones, Maxim, and Turpin. Turpin took some of the sugar away and isn't mentioned much when people talk about great upsets in boxing. Perhaps because it wasn't a great upset.

    At 160 pounds, Hagler was better than Robinson. Pound for pound, Robinson was a better.
     
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  8. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    From Feb 14, 1951 (Lamotta) to July 10, 1951 (Turpin), SRR fought 10 times...including
    a series of 7 fights in 6 weeks (5/21/51-7/10/51) on his European tour. You might say Ray
    was a little "burned out" by the time the Turpin fight started.
     
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  9. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    Hagler was a shot fighter and leonard barely eeked out a decision
     
  10. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    I think you mean Robinson was not Hagler don't you? Otherwise your comment makes no sense.

    BTW It's Basilio not Basiilio or Bassillo.lol.
     
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    It was close enough to have gone either way imo.
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member

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    On the contrary it was perceived as a great upset.
     
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  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. Full Member

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    No, I was saying Basilio wasn't on Hagler's level as a middleweight.

    Hence Leonard beating Hagler is a better win than Robinson beating Basilio.

    IMO, Leonard has the best win in terms of a welterweight moving up to beat a middleweight champion.
     
  15. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes I read that about the sparring incident. Indicative of how Leonard could adapt very well.