Why does size matter?

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  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    He was 180 against Willard and fought at light heavyweight during part of his career.
     
  2. choklab

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    Apart from very tall guys it's almost impossible to tell who would be a natural heavyweight Now, whatever that is.

    There is so much artificial weight in Boxing now. It's got nothing to do with people getting bigger, it's to do with how people train and artificially enhance their size now.

    Does size matter? Yes it does. But it matters more now because of how much more functional the excess weight is compared to how functional excess weight used to be.

    It used to be that weight slowed a fighter down. When gloves were smaller there was less leather to shield and parry blows so it took more effort for the big guy to avoid getting hit. There were three extra Championship rounds. It was considered that the lighter a fighter was the faster he would be. That's all changed. So many factors favoured lighter faster skilled fighters.

    The reason why excess weight is functional now is two fold. First if every heavyweight is artificially enhanced one way or the other where is the handicap if Both guys carry the same excess? Secondly interval training, fighting in short explosive spurts suits this era of over developed fighters.

    Nobody is born to look the way fighters and sportsmen look now. If you don't believe me check out the US military weight requirements. Every height of human is considered with leeway for age taken into consideration. Maximum weight for height for each age group is listed.

    Very few heavyweights today would make these requirements because they are so over developed. Too heavy for their weight.

    Alarmingly, 30 years ago the vast majority of world class heavyweights generally met these US army weight requirements.

    http://www.military.com/join-armed-forces/army-weight-rules.html
     
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  3. Paulie walnutz

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    High testosterone is linked to high tolerance of pain. There loads of info on the internet...
     
  4. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Dago I'm not a technical coach I hate that ****, and rather depend on science. Good form is derived from epigenetics.
     
  5. HerolGee

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    highly stupid assumptions are linked to high level levels of stupidity too
     
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  6. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    With all due respect you don't understand the "science" you even talk about.
     
  7. Paulie walnutz

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    Dago I work in pharmaceutics... steroids given to boxers are called cocktails consisting of hgh, testosterone and insulin. Yes, boxers like Luis Ortiz take insulin to add girth to the waist inorder to take body shots, further testosterone is believed to raise tolerance to pain. A couple of months ago I met an American doctor who prescribes T to patients who live in chronic pain.
     
  8. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Well your a jack of all trades aren't you? Or should I say...a paulie of all trades? Let me guess you watched Harry Greb ringside and the moon is made of cheese?

    You may have a certain following from a few trolls in the training section but I you're out of your depth here Paolo.
     
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  9. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    Paola?
    Mr. Dagowop can you take a body shot?
     
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  10. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Paolo*

    It's the Italian form of Paul.
     
  11. Paulie walnutz

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    Walnutz is what they call me... Paul is my name. First rule in gambling is can the fighter who you're betting on- take a body-shot! Come on it's money, or some cases big potatoes and if money is lost, things can happen. You need a fighter whose durable... maybe he's a bit slow both in the head and in the hands becos of weight gain, that being said as long as he can punch and go forward, the decision is in the hands of the judges forget about it.
     
  12. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Speed is more important than punching power and strength. Look at Paulie Malignaggi, if he didn't have the speed he did he would be screwed.

    But this has nothing to do with size in the heavyweight division so I would rather talk about the thread topic.
     
  13. Absolutely!

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    Ridiculous statement. Get a grip.

    Skin durability isn't the same as the ability to take a punch, obviously.

    Why didn't he fight at 200lbs then?
     
  14. Absolutely!

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    Marciano embodied qualities that Wlad didn't. The same is true vice versa. That Wlad wasn't the same type of fighter as Marciano doesn't diminish his status as a champion.
     
  15. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    No it isn't "ridiculous", most of Wlad's defenses were completely out of their depth. His opponents resumes are padded like a sleep number bed.

    Durability is...well...how durable a fighter is. Since fights get stopped on cuts durability is how much punishment a fighter takes without being stopped. Vitali had a face that looked like a raw steak. Fact. That is not durable. If you want to say Vitali had a good chin then I will agree but I will not say he was durable.

    Have you learned nothing since you started studying boxing. Fighters trained down in Dempsey's time. They actually knew what you and a lot of others overlook and that is; speed and agility over slow brute strength. Also, fights were 15,25, and sometimes 45 rdrs back then so being built up would only be a detriment. Pretty simple. Why do you think that super heavies today gas easily?

    Dempsey was faster at 180 lbs than he would have been at 200 lbs. And if I'm not mistaken he fought at 198 against Morris so yeah he did fight at 200 lbs.