Would Film Of Greb Confirm His Legendary Status,Or Could It have An Adverse Effect?t

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    If films of Harry Greb's fights with Tunney,Walker Flowers,etc surfaced in good viewable quality ,do you think his legend would be enhanced or diminished? I know the obvious answer is "well we don't know until we see them!"
    But what I'm driving at is, Harry has attained almost mythical status and he has the record to support it,expectations for him would be sky high,from all accounts he was no puncher, no stylish boxer, he was a perpetual motion jack-in- the- box who was never in the same place for two consecutive seconds, one with a top chin , and almost superhuman stamina . This translates into a stylistic nightmare for any opponent and his results bear out how effective he was.My somewhat laboured point is would ,because of our unrealistic expectations,actual fight footage of him appear underwhelming,and slightly dissapointing to our eyes today?
     
  2. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Likely both .. his style was on occasion not described as pretty but no doubt effective as his record against top competition shows ..
     
  3. BCS8

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    I very much suspect that he would be diminished in our eyes. He had some hard fights and for some reason a fighter nowadays that doesn't destroy the opposition with contempt is "exposed". Yet, he nearly always found a way to win.
     
  4. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In shadowboxing the fighter is visualizing how he would fight an opponent, his moves and punching would be at an imaginary opponent. Shadowboxing gives you an idea of how he would fight. The existing clip of Greb shadowing shows the punches he would throw, his moves, offensively and defensively. If you know what you are looking at the short clips of Greb showing how he threw punches, his short clip of sparring O'Brien, and shadow boxing shows his moving around and punching style including parrying. There is plenty of shadowing boxing clips of various fighters throughout boxing history compare that to the way they fought, and you will see that as they shadowboxed they fought. Since the question is " would film of Greb have an adverse effect I believe it might, cos while his results standout, his awkward jumping bean style would not be pretty. Greb, is #1 in career win's, SRR would be the best stylistically.
     
  5. Chuck1052

    Chuck1052 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    All one has to do evaluate Harry Greb's record with a fine-tooth comb. He has one of the best records in boxing history, possibly the best with all things considered. As a result, Greb was one of the best fighters in boxing history with a terrific case of being the best. The probability that he had an unorthodox or awkward style is immaterial.

    - Chuck Johnston
     
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  6. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Since a lot of his fights were newspaper decisions I would say it could have an adverse effect because Greb is regarded as a true legend and top 3 p4p fighter of all time. I think it would just disapoint our already outrageously high expectations.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Can't see it affecting it much.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    If anything it should cause the viewer who is not impressed to reconsider what they know of effective boxing. By virtue of his incomparable record, Greb is the definition of highly effective boxing.
     
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  9. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well just look at Monzon,who many regard as the best middleweight ever.
    Aesthetically he doesn't look the best but he was mighty effective.
     
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  10. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    It would have an adverse effect from the people who unknowingly judge historic fighters based on the the quality and style of the film. Which I think is most people.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Maybe I explained myself badly.
    I'm suggesting that his style might not be fan friendly, particularly by todays standards and that modern fans might have been turned off by his style.Not for one moment am I implying he doesn't deserve his exalted status
    I believe I mentioned his resume ,and for the record Greb is my number 1 p4p All time & my number 1 middleweight All time.
     
  12. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Mc you explained it perfectly thank you. Most people wouldnt know most of the fighters Greb fought, but addressing your question many wouldnt like the way he fought, and it would have an adverse effect just on seeing that YT clip.
     
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  13. dempsey1234

    dempsey1234 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe you didnt understand the question, as I said before about you things have to be explained 3 or 4 times. The question was "would FILM", adversely effect Greb, nothing about record. So again in your rush to make your brilliant statement you didnt fully understand or answer the question. My answer is I believe it would.
     
  14. FrankieinTexas

    FrankieinTexas the Bronx to Texas Full Member

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    Films of some of his 155 newspaper decisions would absolutely diminish his mythological status.
    I'm positive that some of those decisions would be overturned or AT LEAST make him look like a mortal.
    In conjunction with his "step up" losses to Tiger Flowers, Gene Tunney, and Tommy Loughran would
    knock him off his Olympic pedestal.

    Seeing their hero get punched in the face, throw and miss punches and win a newspaper decision he probably lost would be too much for some of his admirers to stomach; epileptic fits would follow.
     
  15. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Get a life, dude. My point was cogent and complimentary to the topic. Seriously, you are adding nothing.