Why does size matter?

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  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    How long is the fight scheduled for? Glove size? Temperature at ringside?
     
  2. lufcrazy

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    None of that matters. The fight could be scheduled for 200 rounds and Fitz would never get out the first.

    They could wear pillows for gloves and Fitz would never get out the first.

    It could be the hottest day in history and Fitz would never get out the first.
     
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  3. Mr.DagoWop

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    The bigger gloves would favor Lewis because of defensive purposes.

    If it was scheduled for 12 with 1990s conditions and 10 oz gloves I would choose Lewis all day by knockout. But if it is 20 rds, 4 oz gloves, and 1890s fight conditions (outside in 90 degree heat) then I would choose Fitzsimmons. With 4 oz gloves Lewis wouldn't know how to cope defensively and get picked off. Not to mention gas out. Fitzsimmons and Jeffries fought a war and it wasn't until the 11th that Jeffries, who had a 61lb advantage, could knock out Fitzsimmons. Also, Fitzsimmons was winning that fight and many at ringside thought he was about to knock Jeffries out. Lewis would not only gas but he would be given a beating and be knocked out by the 10th.
     
  4. mrkoolkevin

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    lmao
     
  5. lufcrazy

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    Watch Fitzsimmons vs Corbett and Lewis vs Holyfield then get back to me.
     
  6. mostobviousalt

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    Put Lewis in there with a marathon runner and helium filled -1 oz gloves and a 350 round limit.

    Lennox will gas around 73 and hit the canvas after 120.
     
  7. Absolutely!

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    So if Wlad had fought Toney and Holyfield instead of Peter and Ibragimov in the mid 2000s that would have been more relevant to his overall career standing? Of course it wouldn't. Defences are determined, and always have been, by ranking. They are not determined by what one person personally think of the fighters they beat to get that ranking.

    Having your nose split in half is a pretty big whoop actually. Can you name any other fighters that suffered a similar injury? Cuts happen in boxing.

    Was Demspey draining himself down to 180 then rehydrating up to 200? If not then it's an irrelevant point.
     
  8. Mr.DagoWop

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    I don't know why Dempsey didn't fight at 200. He must have had his reasons. One thing we can say though is he obviously didn't think that being bigger would give him an advantage.

    With small gloves that can't be used for blocking then a fighter isn't going to want to be a bigger target than they have to be.
     
  9. Mr.DagoWop

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    Fitzsimmons was not Holyfield. Do you disagree with my analysis and why?
     
  10. Absolutely!

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    Point is, he obviously felt more effective at 185 than at 200, and since that was where the majority of his best performances took place it's reasonable to assume that that was in fact the case.
     
  11. Wass1985

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    You don't half talk out of your ass!!

    Dempsey didn't fight at 200lb in his prime because that wasn't the weight at which he performed at his optimum....
     
  12. Mr.DagoWop

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    Well that's a bit of a stretch considering we haven't seen him fight at 198 or 196 (where he scored a first round ko over Porky Dan Flynn)
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    I disagree with it in its entirety.

    I've watched Fitzsimmons fight and there is nothing available on film which would give Lewis cause for concern.

    Holy field was a vastly superior boxer to Fitz.
     
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  14. Absolutely!

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    It's not a stretch at all. What you have suggested is the stretch.
     
  15. Paulie walnutz

    Paulie walnutz Active Member Full Member

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    But where do I put my pots and pans? Each has its proper place, so when does a pan become a pot?