Nikolai Valuev vs. Rocky Marciano

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by reznick, Oct 13, 2016.


Who would win?

  1. Valuev UD

    7 vote(s)
    19.4%
  2. Valuev KO

    5 vote(s)
    13.9%
  3. Maricano UD

    17 vote(s)
    47.2%
  4. Marciano KO

    7 vote(s)
    19.4%
  1. reznick

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    http://imgur.com/qGlgtLx
     
  2. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Ohhhh ok. So you want to walk around, insulting whoever you want, but as soon as ol poor Mcvey gets insulted, then you start crying? lolol do dumb. You lose your ability to demand a standard of respect when you initiate the insults.

    War with fists? Please ol sport.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I don't want to waste any more time on you weasel.Just concentrate on your biased clips
     
  4. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This thread has become something I would do in the training section...
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    You just don't get it do you Moron? I have no problem with insults directed at me,my problem is insults directed at members of my family and I would hazard a guess most posters would find that unacceptable,you obviously haven't grasped that but, as I said, you have problems with reality.
    I don't crave your respect, as I have none for you now it would be worthless.I'll continue to talk to you in any way I see fit, how you respond is irrelevant to me.You're continuing this because you are trying to justify the unjustifiable it's that simple.Now run along little man.
     
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  6. BCS8

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    Sorry to hear that. I hate colds. Hope you get better.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Thanks.Had it for 3 weeks now,it started in Kracow ,but thankfully did not impact on our holiday,the X Ray will tell the tale.
     
  8. Seamus

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    My point was... Don't think I'm not responding to a point you made if I don't get right back to you or I forget to follow up. Not all of us have infinite time to peck about on a forum. A lot of time, I'm not even in range to use the internet, and if I am, I have other priorities like seeing my bank balance.

    I actually do like your video submissions here quite a bit. Some of my favorite posters are guys I do not always agree with.
     
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  9. Nighttrain

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    We'll put on a couple of points.
    I agree, it's the internet and you have to take everything with a healthy quantity of salt. Disagreements and misunderstandings are bound to occur. A principal disadvantages arising out of anonymity is a loss of civility and accountability. Perhaps it's a sad testament to human nature that when given the chanc,e many turn into keyboard tough guys . I had an issue with a snide punk in the mind-numbing thread Does Size Matter because he didn't like the responses his thread received. People like him do not exist in the real world away from his sticky keyboard, cats, and empty pizza boxes. Rudeness masquerading as being an authority is not impressive. The toughest guys I have ever met are the last ones to behave that way. To the contrary they would offer a chair to your wife or girlfriend in a crowded bar. Similarly, truly knowledgeable people don't need to resort to insults because someone merly disagrees with them. I don't know what was said here, but there is never a reason to bring loved ones into a discussion.

    Sometimes Reznick's posts resemble Valentines. We lose something when you are unable to acknowledge the flaws and weaknesses of fighters. By turning them into super heroes you miss out on the great things they accomplished and lose an understanding of the times in which they competed.
    That said, Reznick is an asset to the forum. His video contributions are fantastic and his admiration of fighters from the past is often a welcome contrast to those who denigrate the very fighters that gave so much. Mcvey is certainly opinionated and bristles at times. It is not uncommon for me disagree with his opinions. However, here steeped in an obvious knowledge of the history of the game. For the most part, it is understandable when looking at the posters with which whom he has feuded.
    I would buy either one of them a beverage and talk boxing.

    You also really hit the nail on the head when talking about the General Forum, the repetitive mindless droning which is the staple there is beyond comprehension and offers little to anyone who's looking for information or an interesting discussion, but obviously the Classic Forum has its moments. I have much less tolerance for any it lately. It is a shame, you have a group of people passionate about a subject, more access to information resources than ever before and the ability to share, discuss and debate like never before but much of the potential is squandered because of the inability of some just to be cool.
     
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  10. reznick

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    Had this friend in college named Alex. Alex stole my TV, and refused to give it back. I called his girlfriend and told her he is cheating on her. Alex called me up, telling me that I broke the "Bro code." I told him there is no code, you have my TV. He then gave me my TV back.

    When you initiate a negative interaction with someone unprovoked, don't expect some kind of limits to their response. It's incredibly hypocritical.

    And for what it's worth, I never meant your wife as a real person. It was an expression I used. It could've just as easily been, "Did Rocky owe you money?" You laugh off your own insults and death threats, but you're willing to fly over the ocean to find me over an equally harmless quip?
     
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  11. reznick

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    That's fine and I respect you too. From my perspective, you called me deluded, yet used a terribly out of context quote to formulate your rebuttal. Do you understand how that looks from my perspective? It doesn't have much to do with time spent here.

    I've been wrong, none of us can't be, but to my knowledge I try to address my mistake.
     
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  12. reznick

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    Good post Nighttrain

    If anyone still actually cares about this, look at the history of this thread. Who turned it from a good discussion into a flame war? I hate these personal arguments. I know there are boxing heads here who want to learn, or to have a good discussion, and these kinds of threads derail those efforts.

    I've been fielding insults for a very long time. I prefer ignoring them, but then it builds up and becomes more severe. They ran Perry and Burt Beinstock off this forum for the very same reason. Shame, how valuable Burt was...

    When I address the insults, it produces bad content, but at least I defend my self respect, and expose the rationale of the insults. It's a balance I'm still learning.

    I don't like to ignore the weaknesses of ATGs and turn them into something unrealistic. It's just that sometimes the conversation gets anchored at such a low point. For instance, if you use three negative adjectives to sum up Marciano as a boxer, where does that leave us? There are tons of posters here who I've disagreed with in very civil way. It's the guys who can hardly say one good thing about great boxers that require a sort of reality check. But perhaps I should stick to a more natural viewpoint, despite the context of the responses in the thread.

    If you compare Marciano with the top 10 HWs, it makes a lot of sense to make a point of his shortcomings. But when you describe him generally, or compare him to an average boxer, and still call him bad....well..

    You know, I don't have this fictional super perfect boxer in my head, whom I compare all the great boxers to. Guys like Marciano, Ali, Klitschko, Dempsey, set the bar, they don't fall under it, like many try to insinuate.
     
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  13. JohnThomas1

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    I've only been back a while but Perry wasn't run off the forum by anyone. If he *"left" the forum it was because he couldn't handle an opinion being questioned (Joe Frazier exceedingly slow starter etc) and taken apart. When you deliver the level of arrogance and disrepect he often did (and post down to others) but can't handle your views being questioned and disagreed with too bad. At times he made some great points and other times he misses the mark, often due to adulation. I still 100% believe he was wrong or certainly vastly overstated on the debate he *"left" on.

    *Assuming he left. It's likely but anything could have happened.

    Burt was great but i wonder if he was suited to an open forum such as this one?

    Maybe there's a need for a sub forum where past boxers are remembered and cherished with basically zero criticisms and negative observations.
     
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  14. reznick

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    Perry was being pressed about his personal experiences in a very rude manner about an innocent argument of whether or not Frazier was a "late starter." It was like an interrogation. Nobody is going to answer personal questions, when they feel like the people asking are attacking them.

    KoolKev has asked me personal questions to get a better understanding of my argument. Even though we had been disagreeing with one another, he asked earnestly and nicely. So I answer. But if he were to press me about my experiences the way they did to perry, not a chance.

    Burt was doing just fine here, in terms of content. He produced incredible original content all the damn time. And people ran him of off because they couldn't stand disagreeing with him, without calling him a bunch of names.

    Many people here care more about their egos, than they do about learning. Burt Beinstock was an obvious example of that. Burts stories were first hand, and completely original. Yet people would rather not hear them, if it didn't fit tier theories. How ****ed up is that?

    Those guys deprived me, and other posters from learning some incredible new information from a guy around boxing since the 30's, because of their crappy egos.

    I'm good, that's all you :D
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    That's genuinely incorrect. I checked at the time and he left about 3 minutes before that particular question was put to him.

    Yes it's a shame he left. You have to have a thick skin to survive on a lot of forums now, nature of the beast i guess. Obviously there was no moderation in the matter.

    I did see some of Burt's postings. He was extremely fond of certain era's and there was always going to be clashes with more modern posters i guess. His stories were brilliant.

    LOL

    Maybe a floral background and a ban on head to head debate :D
     
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