Evander Holyfield vs Vitali Klitschko

Lewis, certainly. Ruiz ... debatable.

That's part of the point. Vitali would have at least 30lb on Holyfield. Thank you.

 

Might that be because Peter was on the decline for Helenius?

If Bowe beat Holyfield 2-1, Vitali could do the same.

If Moorer is 1-1 vs Holyfield...

If Cooper floors him and Holyfield gets a little home cookin' to recover....

If Ruiz is 1-1-1 vs Holy, and a to be unfair like you Holy is knocked out by a blown up middle...

 

Well, folks want to write off half of Holy's losses because he was "old".

Yet OLD FOREMAN was a notable win for Holyfield, according to DinoCrazy.

EDIT: I see ANCIENT HOLMES is also a major victory for Holyfield, according to Dino

And folks don't want to give Vitali credit for wins when he was old, either, because ... because ... ?

OK.

Shall we then also write of Vitali's losses because he was injured? That means he is unbeaten.

I'm sensing - this may only be a crazy notion of my own - but I'm sensing double standards, yes?

 

He looked the same in both fights. Peter just wasn't very good.

Bowe beating Holyfield twice does not mean Vitali could do the same because Vitali was not half as skilled as Bowe.

 

I see what you're saying and can find merit in some of it. But a 37 year old Holyfield was a better fight for a prime Lewis than a 31 year old Vitali was for a completely past it Lewis. Also part of the reason why Klit lasted longer into old age was because he had a colossal size and strength advantage over many of his younger counter parts, where as Evander wasn't even indigenous to the heavyweight division and constantly taking on bigger men. In addition, its worth pointing out, that Vitali's first 27 bouts were easy outings against basically garbage opposition. By the time Holy was 27-0 he had been in numerous wars... Conquered two weight classes. had been in nine world title fights, including one or two that went 15 rounds. fought better comp.. These things take their toll too.

 

Holyfield fought much better guys when he was old than Vitali did. Vitali quit in his prime against Chris Byrd. Evander suffered a blown out shoulder in round one against Byrd yet still hung in there for another 11 rounds. Vitali felt an inch and decided he couldn't take any more of a guy half his size who hit like a welter weight.

Old Homles and Old Foreman were better than old Sanders . Not even in the same ball park park.

 

Holyfield was a warrior. I have said it, never disputed it, and I think he is a f*cking great fighter to watch because of it.

Unfortunately he was, as you say, a highly overachieving warrior from a lesser weight class.

That would be a somewhat major problem for somebody like Holyfield facing a big guy that used not only vastly underrated boxing skills, but his size so effectively like Vitali.

At the time I thought Vitali and Wlad were damn noble not to have taken on the shadow of Holyfield. Even though Holyfield, like a pitbull, didn't know when it was time to dof his hat and head on home. Now I'm wondering (given some folks interpretation of legacy) if it wouldn't have been better legacy wise for Vits to have pummelled Holy's corpse and proclaimed a great victory.

 

Disagree completely. Sanders would have lit those two up.

 

Vitali was on another level to that bumbling galoot Bowe. Golota beat the living shyte out of Bowe and Golota never went on to do anything of much note after that. Bowe could barely beat Holyfield, despite outweighing him by 30lb.

 

I don't know if a fight between ancient Holy and the klits was ever on the table.. And I disagree that many would have considered it a great victory at that point. Lewis was the last man to beat any serviceable version of Evander and even that rendition was well past his pinnacle. I do however concur with your points that Vitali would have been a very tough proposition for even the best showing of Holyfield. The differences in size and strength were well beyond marginal, and historically Holy DID struggle with bigger men. when it comes to legacy I have Evander much higher than Vitali Klitscko. but a head to head meeting certainly raises a lot of hard questions.

 

Sanders would have gotten brutalised by Foreman. Absolutely destroyed. The version that turned up against Vitali isn't even worth thinking about. We're sporting fans here , not sadists.

 

Chisora beat Vitali from pillar to post . Vit was one the verge of collapse by the end of the fight. Fact.
Fury beat Chisora in cruise control. Din't even break a sweat.
Then he quit AGAIN against Manny Charr.

 

He beat the living dog shlt out of Manuel Charr.

 

Dino thinks plodder Foreman would have done well.

That would have been filed under "target practice" for Sanders, who would have LOVED that "cross arm" thing Foreman was doing, leaving his body exposed. Sanders was very happy to go to the body and his handspeed >>> Foreman's.

 

That would imply he looked good.. Usually you look great when you leather a person. Vitali looked utter garbage against a pure joke of a boxer.
Look at him get backed up and ran all around the ring. He was totally exhausted after only 4 rounds. The fight should never have been stopped. Charr was illegally brought to Vitalis corner where Vitali's personal doctor ended the fight illegally. Vitali didn't beat the sh!t out of any Charr

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