Who do you rate higher as an ATG and why? W Klitschko or E Holyfield

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  1. zop

    zop Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If Evander had stayed at CW, he would have been ATG (50-0-0).
    The great money doesn't exist at CW, but he wasted almost everything he had earned as HW, and didn't become ATG...
     
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  2. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    What if he wasn't allowed use grab and hold tactics like in the Brewster and Jennings fights?
     
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  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Other than Holyfield, what other Bowe wins do you rate to make him an A+ super HW? Hide?
    Was Bowe still A+ when he was facing Golota in your opinion?
     
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  4. zop

    zop Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are right.
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    CW was a very new division when Holyfield was there and he was facing some former LHWs. Its funny how Haye was unifing with full CWs and became champ yet nobody calls him a CW ATG but Haye has alot of pedigree at CW
     
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  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Im just wondering what peoples opinions are really.
    Nostalgia does seem to play a massive part.
     
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  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    What win does Lewis have that makes him A+ super HW ?
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why are you talking about Lewis? Is it because he beat Holyfield? I guess on paper maybe V Klitschko
     
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  9. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Bowe beat a better Holyfield more impressively and more convincingly.
     
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  10. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Once again. Why are you bringing up Lewis? Why. Also why do you feel Bowe beat a better version? How when Bowe was nearly KOd and lost was he more impressive? You could make arguements for M Moorer with that logic
    The thread is about Holyfield and Wladimir so really why L Lewis
     
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  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Whats the question?
     
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  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    See the very first page, TS
    Or there are several in reply to why you were bringing up Lewis
     
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  13. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Evander.
     
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  14. theanatolian

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    Haye's cruiserwieght isn't anywhere near Holyfield's, that's just irrefutable. It's silly to even compare the two of them.

    Haye had two notable wins at cruiser and Maccarinelli who fought at LHW many times was one of them. Adamek who's a more accomplished cruiser for me is a former LHW too. Add to that the limit was 190 lbs in Holyfield's time so there's no shame in beating on former LHWs. Haye was great at cruiserweight H2H, but resume-wise he was just another of the top cruiserweights of the recent history.
     
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  15. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Haye was beating full blown CWs. How is Adamek more accomplished? Do explain that one. Maccarinelli made his name at CW before he tried LHW and went back to CW
     
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